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The reason religion is so powerful
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RE: The reason religion is so powerful
Quote:Personhood is something we all lack, is it not? It must be ascribed by a governing body.
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(June 8, 2021 at 10:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(June 8, 2021 at 10:19 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: In the event of a fire, would you save an elderly person over an infant on the basis that they have a story, loved ones, and a coherent inner life? I don't think you would, given that society places value on children (but maybe you would). Perhaps the issue here has to do with faulty object permanence: The younger the individuals the more value is placed on their life, until it crosses into the womb and becomes "out of sight out of mind."

p.s. I didn't realize there were two abortion threads going on at once lol.

That's an excellent question. If I had to make a choice, I would save the baby. It's not unlikely the elderly person would want me to save the baby too. All stories must come to an end, and I personally would rather have mine wrapped up a few pages sooner than I planned than live with the knowledge that my survival came at the cost of someone with their whole life in front of them.

You could also ask whether I would save a pregnant woman over a woman not carrying who were about the same age, knowing nothing else about them. I would save the pregnant woman, on the assumption that she both wants to live and give birth, so it would be a twofer. Or how about if I had a choice to save a baby or an embryo in a tube?

This isn't about whether it's desirable that a viable fetus survive to be born hypothetically. It's about whether that is enough to justify forcing a woman to give birth against her will, regardless of the woman's ability to carry to term safely, the circumstances of the impregnation, her ability to raise a child, the welfare of other children she may already have, her ability to climb out of poverty, or anything else. That is, whether forcing a woman to give birth against her will (forced labor!) is more important than her human dignity.
Indeed his scenario fails to give agency to the characters
"Change was inevitable"


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The reason religion is so powerful - by Macoleco - June 6, 2021 at 3:29 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by no one - June 6, 2021 at 3:41 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 6, 2021 at 8:18 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 6, 2021 at 8:27 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 6, 2021 at 8:59 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Abaddon_ire - June 6, 2021 at 12:12 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 6, 2021 at 1:34 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 6, 2021 at 8:02 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Brian37 - June 6, 2021 at 12:30 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Brian37 - June 7, 2021 at 1:34 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 7, 2021 at 4:33 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 7, 2021 at 5:41 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 8, 2021 at 3:21 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 3:44 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Brian37 - June 7, 2021 at 5:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Brian37 - June 8, 2021 at 10:17 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 9, 2021 at 4:26 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 10, 2021 at 6:05 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 10, 2021 at 7:18 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 10, 2021 at 8:02 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 8, 2021 at 10:23 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 8, 2021 at 10:06 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 5:56 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 6:18 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 6:46 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 8, 2021 at 7:06 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 8, 2021 at 7:42 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 8:02 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 8, 2021 at 8:06 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 8, 2021 at 10:30 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 8, 2021 at 11:09 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by The Architect Of Fate - June 8, 2021 at 10:47 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 8, 2021 at 7:37 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 8, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 5:52 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 12:13 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 1:05 pm
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RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 4:41 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 6:48 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 9, 2021 at 7:26 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 8:09 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 9, 2021 at 8:14 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 8:27 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 9, 2021 at 8:50 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 9:06 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 9, 2021 at 2:56 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Astreja - June 9, 2021 at 1:33 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 8, 2021 at 11:36 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 9, 2021 at 12:10 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 9, 2021 at 1:03 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 9, 2021 at 1:12 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2021 at 10:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ravenshire - June 9, 2021 at 12:06 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ranjr - June 8, 2021 at 10:28 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 9, 2021 at 1:40 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Mister Agenda - June 14, 2021 at 10:13 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Mister Agenda - June 14, 2021 at 11:57 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by HappySkeptic - June 15, 2021 at 11:24 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 15, 2021 at 3:10 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 15, 2021 at 6:51 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 15, 2021 at 9:35 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 15, 2021 at 10:42 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 16, 2021 at 7:33 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 18, 2021 at 8:43 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Mister Agenda - June 21, 2021 at 11:27 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2021 at 10:03 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Pat Mustard - June 16, 2021 at 4:31 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by no one - June 9, 2021 at 3:03 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ranjr - June 9, 2021 at 11:15 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Pat Mustard - June 10, 2021 at 1:12 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Pat Mustard - June 15, 2021 at 7:03 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Abaddon_ire - June 10, 2021 at 12:29 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Angrboda - June 10, 2021 at 3:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Angrboda - June 10, 2021 at 3:48 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by h4ym4n - June 16, 2021 at 7:59 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 16, 2021 at 8:20 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by h4ym4n - June 16, 2021 at 8:27 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 7:05 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 18, 2021 at 10:38 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 2:38 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 2:43 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 2:50 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Sal - June 19, 2021 at 10:01 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 10:45 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 1:42 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 3:17 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Abaddon_ire - June 19, 2021 at 6:53 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 9:45 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ranjr - June 19, 2021 at 8:44 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 10:27 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by arewethereyet - June 19, 2021 at 10:40 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by brewer - June 19, 2021 at 10:58 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 9:51 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by arewethereyet - June 19, 2021 at 10:14 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 10:26 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by arewethereyet - June 19, 2021 at 10:35 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 10:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Astreja - June 21, 2021 at 3:20 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 10:19 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 10:27 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 10:37 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 10:42 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 11:04 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 10:44 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 10:50 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by arewethereyet - June 19, 2021 at 10:43 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 11:02 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 11:04 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by R00tKiT - June 19, 2021 at 11:10 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Silver - June 19, 2021 at 11:12 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Angrboda - June 19, 2021 at 11:05 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Angrboda - June 20, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ranjr - June 20, 2021 at 10:40 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Belacqua - June 20, 2021 at 10:51 pm
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Ranjr - June 21, 2021 at 8:16 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Drich - June 30, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by no one - June 30, 2021 at 11:09 am
RE: The reason religion is so powerful - by Abaddon_ire - June 30, 2021 at 11:43 am

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