RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
June 17, 2021 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2021 at 12:05 pm by R00tKiT.)
(June 16, 2021 at 12:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Having had this conversation with you many times, I'm beginning to worry you won't ever understand no matter how plainly and how often I express myself.
Tell me that the sources your religion cribbed from are garbage, and I think you have a problem...but..... honestly, you could save your breath entirely with me I don't care whether or not your silly god exists, because it's a garbage god. I won't join your club because you're bad people with bad beliefs. Do you understand?
If you are that careless about God's existence and religions, I guess you are in the wrong thread, then.
(June 16, 2021 at 12:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's not your word against mine, it's the one word against the other. If it can be known that you will do x, you cannot do other than x
Once again, you're not taking the time parameter into account. Now you just look like this bad, stubborn student who keeps forgetting to draw the z-axis, because everything is simple in an XY-plane.
What God knows, exactly, is this : "You will choose, at a given moment t, to do X". Notice how choice is a temporary possibility. Past the moment t, choice and free will cease to have meaning. And because you drop the time parameter, you allow yourself to assess the agent's free will past the moment where he could have free will. I see what you did there captain.
And frankly, to think that all these philosophers of Islam out there - including those who were considered heretics -who discussed free will lengthily missed your point, and went on discussing possible reconciliations without noticing what you think are mutually exclusive concepts........
(June 16, 2021 at 12:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Still babbling about intervention. It's knowing that presents a problem for free will. Not force, as I've explained every time you've argued against force.
Yeah it clearly presents a problem for free will, for you. Because your definition of free will is flawed in the first place, namely, you speak of it as if it were some timeless ability of an individual.
(June 16, 2021 at 6:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And the best and most universal way to simplify gods is to anthropomorphize them, which is what the Quran does.
Boru
The Qur'an says, verbatim, that : "There is nothing like Him. He is the Hearing, the Seeing." (42:11).
Describing the deity in a manner that is comprehensible to humans is a necessity inherent to the limitations of our languages. If we define that as anthropomorphism, then any utterance about God is anthropomorphism, and the latter word becomes empty of meaning.