(June 23, 2021 at 11:09 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 10:45 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: If you can present a coherent argument for how one can know that no gods exist, please do so. If not, I am going to stick with, "It cannot be done."-and if someone expressed incredulity at this statement, stating that you couldn't possibly know that....? You'd have questions, wouldn't you? That's where we're at, I believe. There are atheists and theists and agnostics alike who all contend that the existence of these things is at least in principle a knowable quantity. You can hear them explain why they know something, or make a claim to that knowledge, and at leat understand why they'd insist as much even if you don;t agree with them on the specific contents of that set. A born again christian might say that god's existence is knowable in a revelatory experience. An atheist might suggest that they got that experience wrong - but this..too, is a claim about an allegedly knowable thing.
In any case, I have found out what I wanted to find out with this thread. There are posters here who assert, "There are no gods"...there are posters here who assert, "I KNOW there are no gods"...and there are posters who assert, "It is impossible for gods to exist."
Great.
Since I now have that information...I will probably move on to another thread soon.
I do not "think" there is no way of knowing that there are no gods...I KNOW there is no way of knowing it.
Quote:Okay, I sorta agree, in part. Anyone who says "It is impossible to know if any gods exist" is way over the line. There is no way for anyone to KNOW that it is impossible to know if any gods exist. If any exist, it is at least possible it has a way of verifying its existence.I notice that there are no theistic creator gods in the world, the thing you're asking about..ostensibly. It's a pretty routine process. I state that I know my name in the same way and for the same reasons. To me, the idea that we can't know whether or not there's a personal and intervening god which created the world is as absurd as the claim that I couldn't know my own name. Which is why I ask people who believe as much to explain it, rather than assert it.
BUT...and this is a huge BUT...I can say without equivocation that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.
Think about it. How can one possibly verify that there are NO GODS.?
Case in point, I asked you -why- you couldn't know whether gods existed, and you merely reasserted the initial claim. Do you know why...is there any reason at all, or is it just something you've heard said, or some bit of knowledge you don't possess, or some unspoken limit of your own epistemology? Sort of has to start there. There must be some place where you and I diverge so that each of us, genuinely apprehending the same world in a rational and coherent way, reach wildly disparate conclusions.
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I have some questions for the posters here.
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