RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
June 24, 2021 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2021 at 10:16 pm by R00tKiT.)
(June 20, 2021 at 3:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You believe that god knew everything that would happen before there was ever a first moment. God would know, before you selected x, afterwards, before you were born, before your mother was born, in fact, you've never once made a choice in your entire life. You've merely stumbled through a set of predetermined selections engineered by the author of creation. All of it leading certainly and inevitably to whatever end your garbage god has in store for you..which, as I hear it told, is pretty gruesome.
It really looks like you never read any response, anything, about fatalism. If it were as easy as you make it look like here, rejecting theism would really be a no-brainer. Let's repeat that again: so far, you didn't present any definition of free will, you're only repeating what foreknowledge entails. Yes, God knows what I will select and choose my entire life. These selections are there as a result of free will, in other words, God knows the outcomes of my free will, and there is no contradiction here . It really seems that this is too hard for you to understand.
Or, to use your own words, you merely stumbled through what you would've chosen by free will, all of it leading certainly and inevitably to the end. See, no contradiction

(June 20, 2021 at 3:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
I wonder, could we peel back another layer of the onion here? I could explain why the beliefs you've asserted caused you to immediately argue against them yourself all day..but that probably wont produce any real insight for you. What might, is wondering why you need both things to be true, and why you feel that either of them being false would invalidate anything else, or indeed much or all of everything else.
It must be a powerful need. If we had no free will, would that mean there was no god, for example? No good and bad? Would we, upon discovering that we in fact have no free will, all dissappear into a puff of mist, finite, end of story? You seemed to think that people would have to explain something outside of your religious beliefs...but you must already know that this is a trivial exercise? Categorically trivial, in fact, for people who don't share your religious beliefs. It's not a gotcha question, it just makes you look like an idiot..or worse, a deviant.
Clearly, if there is no free will, a theistic God as described in Abrahamic religions cannot exist. But this kind of conclusion is something no atheist can ever dream to establish. I am worried too that you might be a deviant, there is extensive literature about reconciling foreknowledge and free will, I am not sure why you think you solved this by rehearsing the definition of foreknowledge.
(June 24, 2021 at 9:36 pm)no one Wrote: That's rich, kpop calling anyone an enemy of reason. I'm sure the burned out bulb at the end of the street has more reasoning skills than this complete fool!

(June 20, 2021 at 1:18 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(June 19, 2021 at 9:01 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Oh.. you don't like God being outside of space and time? That's cute.
And it would be an absolute breakthrough in philosophy if you can establish that a being outside of space and time is impotent.
These are just your claims, you have no evidence that God (or anything else) exists in another imaginary dimension.
In fact, these are just ridiculous ad hoc excuses to explain the nonexistence of your God. You can make anything exist by making these excuses.
What's so stretched about saying the cause of spacetime is outside of spacetime ? Isn't that a statement atheists will agree with, too?
We just disagree on the nature of this first cause or prime mover.