RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
June 25, 2021 at 3:30 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2021 at 3:38 pm by R00tKiT.)
(June 24, 2021 at 11:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Rejecting theism is even easier than understanding the incompatibility between foreknowledge and free will. A person doesn't need to know that to know that they think your stories are ridiculous. Here again, it makes no sense to call what you cannot but do a free anything.
For the umpteenth time, what you can and cannot do is contingent upon time, the moment of taking action/choosing, and also upon the circumstances. One obviously has no free will if they are dead, drugged, unconscious, etc. One can clearly make the distinction between consciously and willingly moving the knee forward and having a knee jerk reaction. Why doesn't it make sense to call the first instance free will ? Add an entity who has foreknowledge and nothing changes - you yourself repeat this line of thought quite frequently, proving existence of a deity doesn't change people's ability, well, neither does the deity who has foreknowledge.
And I don't think you have solid proof disproving theistic belief systems like Islam, or Judaism. People much smarter than you and me tried to disprove these religious beliefs unsuccessfully, the best thing thay can do is to be an agnostic and ask for proof.
(June 24, 2021 at 11:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: See, I had a suspicion it would be something completely derp, like this. There's no reason why that's clear, and..in fact, a significant number of abrahamic cultists don't believe that man has a free will. There isn't any literature about reconciling foreknowledge and free will. You need it to be true because you believe it imperils your god...even though it doesn't. Meanwhile, it is fairly clear that and why foreknowledge precludes free will, as you notice...by definition. Seems to me that a god breathed truth ought to stand up to more scrutiny than that.
If we truly have no free will, the deity would definitely be unjust punishing us for any action we undertake. This is clearly against the most basic articles of faith in Islam. Muslims who endorse this idea are known as Jabriyah' (fatalists)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabriyah
But this group are a minority. A leading Muslim theologian defending this doctrine (Jahm bin Safwan) was even considered as a disbeliever by many Muslim scholars contemporary to him.
(June 25, 2021 at 12:27 am)Astreja Wrote: My justification: The total lack of empirical evidence for any actual gods. Revelation is just human imagination run amok.
This just means revelations could or couldn't be from a deity. It doesn't support you initial assertion. See, you're throwing non sequiturs again, all over the place.
And your rejection of non-empirical evidence (inferential arguments, deductive arguments, analogical arguments, etc.) is a sheer display of your dishonesty towards the religious case.
(June 25, 2021 at 12:27 am)Astreja Wrote: Show me the post where I supposedly said "Time is a necessary requirement for existence." I'm certain that I didn't say that. What I did say was that time and action are related. Read the first sentence in this Wikipedia article - it supports my claim.
As much as I would like your unqualified apology for misquoting me, I'm not optimistic. I don't think you have what it takes to apologize.
You didn't say that verbatim -of course, I just mentioned the underlying assumption you're too cowardly to tell us more about, because you know it's unevidenced. If time and action are related, this entails action cannot take place without time, and this is something not even the most seasoned philosopher can dream to establish.