(June 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 17, 2009 at 6:50 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Conversely the limit of any other philosophy (math excepted is that they cannot validatably demonstrate a single thing and therein lies your problem ... whilst I can be reasonably confident science works you rely on faith alone.
Science is as impotent as faith on the questions of faith as you'd like to know. Faith/ theology at least answer the questions.
Sorry but I've read the first sentence several times and I don't understand what you are saying. Faith/theology at least answer what questions?
(June 17, 2009 at 6:50 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't agree that science lacks the ability to do so, I think it is simply a matter of technical resolution, that our current level of technology is not sufficient to the task.
Science of the gaps you mean.
That doesn't make any sense ... the point of the gaps concept is that something is claimed to exist but has not been found yet and therefore is presumed (not unreasonably) to exist in the gaps of what we don't know/haven't explained as yet ... science makes no claims to explain things other than those things it actually has (at least partially) explained. In fact saying what you said is really rather naïve.
(June 17, 2009 at 6:50 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't see how you think you might be using science to understand your god ... "God" = "I am" is the antipathy of everything science is about. It also highlights why I cannot accept your claim to doubt being key to your faith ... if your god "just is" then you're not doubting it at all are you?
No - "God = I am" isn't saying God "just is" - it's saying God is timeless. God doesn't have a begginning and an end. that what the original text says.
What original text? The bible? The problem with a claim that god is timeless or exists out of time is that I can raise the claim that the multiverse has always existed, is timeless or exists out of time ... such a claim would be of equal validity or better (inasmuch as it least makes some rational sense, at least potentially explains some aspects of our universe whereas a creator god raises only problems for science, physics and reason) than yours.
Kyu
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