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The Right's true opposition to CRT?
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(August 1, 2021 at 8:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Well, I certainly do not speak all socially conservative folks, I do have my own reasons for explicitly opposing CRT. Not that I am particularly committed to my position…meaning I am open to revising my understanding after hearing alternative perspectives.

The first reason, which is not so much a reason as a visceral reaction to adults ruining the innocence of children. IMHO it the obligation of adults to preserve that innocence through childhood and not selfishly inject adult political concerns about race, class, sexuality so inappropriately early into the minds of the young.

The second is that I feel the same way about CRT as I do about Young Earth Creationism (YEC). Both are intellectual-sounding justifications for a cherished belief systems. CRT proponents are even worse because they invent obfuscating jargon and like Humpty-Dumpty multiply the meanings of words to signify anything they want.

Thirdly, I truly believe that race is an accidental feature of person and not essential to their worth as a human being. As far as I can tell, CRT proponents teach otherwise and I consider such teachings, even if only tacitly promoted, racist and corrosive to a civil society. IMO, the last thing this country needs is more consciousness of race based on pseudo-scientific notions from the 19th century.

I believe that 3 of these comments were excellently addressed by rev rye.  I would like to focus on the last.  So, I wonder if you are saying that you don't like the idea of real and truthful historical events being taught to children (and we'll assume it is of an appropriate age).  For example; were you aware that in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, black inventors were significantly less likely to be awarded patents and were more likely to have their inventions stolen by white people?  This is a publicly documented fact now although I didn't hear of it until just a few years ago.  Do you believe this practice of oppressing black inventors has no repercussions to people living today?  Is it your opinion that this kind of history is too divisive for children to learn about?  Now consider that this is but one of hundreds of different forms of oppression that blacks faced as they were trying to integrate into a society that they did not choose for themselves.  And lastly, let me ask you, as a Christian, did you learn of the oppression that early Christians faced as your religion struggled to gain acceptance in the classical world?  Have you been told stories of Christian persecution in countries like Russia or China?  Do you consider those just as divisive to modern society and based on pseudo-scientific, medieval notions?

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(August 1, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Mermaid Wrote: Listen to black people. Really really listen to them. Believe what they say.
That is racist statement. It assumes that all black people must have the same opinions. They do not.

That was a pretty obfuscating comment, Neo.  The point was that when a fellow American says they are experiencing oppression (of any kind), perhaps others should listen and determine what is going on instead of automatically dismissing their concerns.  Your comment was a biased response; it side stepped any real evaluation of the question.  Any honest consideration of the question reveals that it is clearly a valid one.  Let's put this question in a different context.  Christians are often quoted claiming that they feel oppressed and/or persecuted in the United States.  If I said, we should listen to Christians and believe what they say, would you respond by saying that's a biased statement and it assumes all Christians have the same opinions?

(August 1, 2021 at 11:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Systemic racism and crt aren't about every white man being a klansman OLB.  That's just what your klansman buddies think it's about.  

If our country were a car, that car is and has been built in such a way that it can and will mow down brown people even without a klansman behind the wheel.  Unfortunately, we'll never get around to checking under the hood on account of how the mechanics keep getting triggered everytime we describe the problem - blurting out that they're not klansman, like common klansmen.

I give this comment a Gold Medal for its originality and imagination while preserving absolute accuracy of the issue!

I believe I will quote this every time I hear someone bitch about CRT from now on.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Jehanne - July 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - July 31, 2021 at 6:58 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by onlinebiker - August 1, 2021 at 10:45 am
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - August 1, 2021 at 12:48 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by onlinebiker - August 1, 2021 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Angrboda - August 1, 2021 at 3:00 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - August 1, 2021 at 3:30 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by onlinebiker - August 1, 2021 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - August 1, 2021 at 7:02 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - August 1, 2021 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Jehanne - July 31, 2021 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - July 31, 2021 at 5:42 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by no one - July 31, 2021 at 8:05 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - July 31, 2021 at 8:15 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by no one - August 1, 2021 at 9:51 am
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Angrboda - August 1, 2021 at 10:01 am
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Angrboda - August 1, 2021 at 12:57 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - August 1, 2021 at 1:24 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - August 1, 2021 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - August 1, 2021 at 5:21 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Angrboda - August 1, 2021 at 7:42 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Spongebob - August 2, 2021 at 11:49 am
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - August 1, 2021 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Mermaid - August 2, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Rev. Rye - August 2, 2021 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Paraselene - August 2, 2021 at 10:09 pm
RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT? - by Spongebob - August 3, 2021 at 7:47 am

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