Questions for theists.

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Who said "nothing happens", quite alot happens. The links I gave aren't nothing, are they? What I'm saying is that fairy tales don't happen. I say that because we have no reason to believe that they do and every reason to believe that they don't. We have no evidence that they do, and mountains of evidence that they don't.

What happens to consciousness when the brain ceases to function? Ever seen someone shot in the head with a parabellum round? That's what happens to consciousness when the brain ceases to function. Gone, dead, nothing, nada, radio silence. That our brains are the seat and source of consciousness has been demonstrated about as well as anything could be. We have never, in all of human experimentation, found a single disembodied consciousness. We have however observed drastic alterations in individuals who have suffered sever trauma to the brain (intentional or unintentional), and we have of course witnessed death. What we don't understand are the specifics, not the generalities. To use a very simple analogy. When you pick up the phone, even though you don't understand exactly how the phone is transmitting the message, you can say with certainty that it is the phone doing the work and not "dark magic".

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Nor am I saying claim magic. I hold little hope though that a pure materialist and substance monist will ever discover anything outside the material though. That's fine, science has functioned exceedingly well in this environment. If I cited one instance where someone had knowledge of something they could not have had while their brain were dead, would that suffice (Which I have done on this site and don't feel like doing over and over with every new atheist). I could bet you would disprove every single subjective experience even if it were 1 billion. What are the probabilistic odds that just one of them could be true? And from your perspective you'd be perfectly right in doing so. I just hope you realize that if you weren't trying so hard to disprove dualism you might see and admit that if even one of them could be proven true materialistically that the our understanding of the world would change drastically. I'm not claiming to objectively and materialistically and measurably test the immaterial, it's currently outside our means to be reliable. I'm claiming that without setting aside you bias you could be being blind to an entire truth you refuse to see.
I'm not claiming to be able to prove it by your materialistic standards. But shouldn't the proof match the premise?


You can claim brain death is the cessation of the sum of who we are, fine. It is clearly shown that manipulation of the brain affects the mind. It has also been shown that ceasing all brain doing a little surgery and starting it back up is recoverable. The person is still a person. They may have a different personality or be completely unaffected, but the fact they are still a they, falsifies the brain ceasing removes the sum of who we are.

On a side note, you deny the story because of motives yet think there are no greed in medical companies.