(June 18, 2009 at 5:00 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Science is as impotent as faith on the questions of faith as you'd like to know. Faith/ theology at least answer the questions.
Sorry but I've read the first sentence several times and I don't understand what you are saying. Faith/theology at least answer what questions?[/quote]
They answer questions of the subject. Who is God; what we need to do to live healthily spiritually etc..
Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Science of the gaps you mean.
That doesn't make any sense ... the point of the gaps concept is that something is claimed to exist but has not been found yet and therefore is presumed (not unreasonably) to exist in the gaps of what we don't know/haven't explained as yet ... science makes no claims to explain things other than those things it actually has (at least partially) explained. In fact saying what you said is really rather naïve.
I make the point though that you're happy for there to be gaps in your understanding from science and can dismiss any need to think because 'one day, science will know everything'. That's my point.
Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: No - "God = I am" isn't saying God "just is" - it's saying God is timeless. God doesn't have a begginning and an end. that what the original text says.
What original text? The bible? The problem with a claim that god is timeless or exists out of time is that I can raise the claim that the multiverse has always existed, is timeless or exists out of time ... such a claim would be of equal validity or better (inasmuch as it least makes some rational sense, at least potentially explains some aspects of our universe whereas a creator god raises only problems for science, physics and reason) than yours.
Kyu
Yes, the bible.
It isn't a 'claim'. It's a reasonable proposition. At least quite equal to at your proposition that the multiverse is timeless. Your insistance that theological ideas are also scientific claims isn't of theology's making.
