RE: Hey Portland - you might get what you deserve.
September 5, 2021 at 5:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2021 at 5:09 pm by Irreligious Atheist.)
(September 5, 2021 at 4:05 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, if attempting to overturn the results of a democratic election that you pretty decisively lost and getting your rabid supporters to storm the Capitol isn’t a crime worth impeaching a President over, then what is? Or is it your belief that the president should be above the law and/or good and evil?
He didn't tell his rabid supporters to storm the capital building and to kill a cop. That never happened. Trump didn't think a bunch of MAGAtards were going to pull off a coup for him. Even Trump is not that insane.
Trump was massively irresponsible that day and shit went down in part due to his words. I don't deny that. We are entirely on the same page when it comes to this. But legally, he said be peaceful, so that gives him the legal out. I just don't see any way around that. So morally, we basically agree on this. The legality of the matter is where we differ. You say that he got his rabid supporters to storm the capital, and sure, that is sort of what happened, but you need to meet a very high legal standard to prove such a thing, and I don't think that can be done.
(September 5, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Helios Wrote:Quote:Sure, if Trump hadn't made his dumb speech, maybe the event doesn't happen or isn't as wild.If Trump directed his followers to storm the capital and try and overthrow the government and override an election he fairly lost. He wanted their violence the fact he didn't see long-term consequences is just par for the course with him, And him backtracking and saying he wanted peace after weeks encouraging fear and violence wins him no points, And he is legally morally responsible for all of it and the fact he only got a hand slap is an insult. Your attempts to downplay his role won't fly.
There's a good chance that's the case. Do I think Trump actually wanted them to break into the building though? No. His approval rating went way down after January 6, and for good reason, so this event didn't help him at all politically, and instead majorly hurt him. Trump specifically said be peaceful to give himself an out. I would not legally hold him responsible for anything because of that, and because he didn't give a direct call to action with instructions for his supporters to kill a police officer or break into the capital.
Quote:You still are not providing me any evidence of free will. Firstly, what is your definition of free will? If you think we are making conscious decisions as human beings, that's not possible, because experiments show that your brain makes the decision about what you're going to do next up to several seconds in advance, subconsciously. Give me a link to a video of someone explaining your point of view on free will if you don't want to explain it yourself. I'll gladly watch it, even if it's two hours long. I like long videos. Or just give me the name of a public figure that shares your views on free will, and I will go look into what they say about it.I'll say it again no free will is self-defeating and you are continuing to provide all evidence I need![]()
I don't follow on the self defeating thing you are talking about. Can you go a little further in explaining that? Like I posted, experiments show that we subconsciously make decisions seconds in advance before our conscious mind is even aware of it. That rules out free will. Checkmate.