(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The Vanir themselves are elevated to dieties in many western european myths with the Aesir being demoted to giants. Balor Baldur, Loki Lugh.Surely you know Ragnarok, the final, valiant battle. The opposing forces there were the Aesir, Einheriar and Vanir on one side and Loki with his minions, the flame giant Surtr and the frost giants on the other.
No Aesir ever was demoted to giant. If there is a myth where the term “Aesir” is naming a giant, it is because the wickedness of the gods was attributed to the giants by applying to the giants the name of the wicked gods.
Demon in ancient Greek means god, today it means devil.
Asura in the older Vedic hymns meant god today means also devil, giant, monster.
The Iranian tern Daeva which once meant god (deva in Sanskrit means god) came to mean devil as well.
Yet, you are right about the Vanir, they were elevated to deities after fighting with the Aesir (as it happened with the Igigi and Anunaki in the Near East).
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "The Great Mother" is a blanket term that ended up becoming incredibly popular these last few decades.Because it is during these last decades that the most famous figurines were found. The Venus of Hohle Fels which is between 35k and 40k years old was found in 2008.
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's not strictly speaking accurate, as many "goddess figurines" have entirely different mythologies and purpose behind them.You mean entirely different interpretations because the only source available for learning what mythologies were related by those fashioning the figurines are the archaic texts. The texts have only one story to tell!
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You jumped right back into egyptian myth and judgement, but we're talking 50k year old fertility idols aren't we?Correct! However, figurines from Kostenki, Avdeevo and Willendof (roughly 25ky old) wear blindfolding hoods. In the Pyramid texts (roughly 5ky old) the Mother is described to have pendulous breast and to wear a head cloth. The term used to name that head cloth “afnt” derives from the verb “afn” which according to the Wörterbuch means:
umhüllen = wrap (in mist, fog, etc), shroud.
verhüllt sein = covered, disguised, masked, veiled, shrouded.
besonders von den verbundenen Augen = especially because of blindfolded eyes.
It is obvious that the woman depicted in the figurines lived in the Near East. The Cro-Magnon kept the memory of her from the time they were living in the Near East.
As to the reason they had for worshiping her, the texts leave no margin for doubt: She was revered for having making them humans and not animals.
Believe me, it is sacrilegious to call the figurines of the Mother fertility idols.

(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The egyptians pantheon (and artwork) is a little beyond that. That there are points in epygtian culture where it would seem that they believed the world of the gods and ourselves to be one and the same (ergo gods judging living men) should not surprise you either. For many people across the world there is (or was) no separation between our world and theirs.Quite right! It is practical experience we are dealing here with.
The gods of the ancients are based on empirical ideas. How does philosophy explain this phenomenon? That is, transcendental ideas to be expressed by means of empirical ideas?
“The ancients were incapable of transcendental thinking and whatever they thought they described in terms of empirical thinking”, say the philosophers!
Final conclusion: the gods of the ancients are concepts based on experience.
Unanswered question: why do we insist in transforming empirical ideas into imaginary ones?
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're reaching very hard to make these fit into the same mold of some long forgotten event. I'm really starting to wonder what you believe this event was at this point.Forced interbreeding between Homo sapiens sapiens and Neanderthals.
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: …who was Ra?That’s a question easy to answer!
Ra is Jupiter, Odin, Yahwe. Only the names are different. The essence is the same: Ra is he (according to a unique passage in Chapter 93 of the Book of the Dead) whose phallus turned aside and destroyed the unnaturalness which, in millions of years, created through Baba the traits of the savages.
Baba is Seth, the god who represents the savages. The passage informs that it took millions of years for the savages (hominids) to be created and then came the phallus of the gods, turned aside the traits of the savages and created humans.
When was it that we, moderns, acquired that knowledge?
Btw, do not expect to find the above passage translated as above in any of the official translations available.
The well-known Egyptologist Faulkner translates as follows:
O, you phallus of Re, this which is injured by uproar, whose inertness came into being through Babai.
It was translations as that of Faulkner’s above that shaped the minds of scientists for decades and thus… we came to see the figurines of the Mother as fertility idols.
(November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (by the by, yes, people are that "stupid", then and now. It's a little more complicated than just (or even)stupid but hey whatever, if all myth is rape than the source of myth or legend can be stupidity while we're at it.)The kid that was taught that the soul leaves the body goes around the universe seeking salvation and then reenters a body, or that an out-of-the-universe being planned and created the universe, is not a stupid kid.
He who first had these ideas and managed to persuade grown ups to believe in them, was stupid as well as his country men.
Only that nobody produced these ideas. They are both products of misunderstanding combined with the deterioration of the key word.
We all were taught to be stupid. Actually we are not!