Why does science always upstage God?

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OFC the claim is supported in this conversation, and demonstrably true.  

If I exist, and don't see gods - then magic book issued a false claim prima facia.  I do exist...and guess what....don't see gods.  Isn't this what I keep telling you?

Your argument imploded, leaving you with nothing but the absurd rejection of a trivial claim.  You might think I'm wrong, that I don't see gods where there are gods.  You might think something is wrong with me, that I can't see gods where there are gods.  I'm just telling you what I do or don't see.  Take it or leave it, and whatever consequence you willingly imposed on your own belief system on account of it.

I'll tell you another thing I don't see.  I don't see the problem...for god...if magic book weren't inerrant in general or this claim in specific weren't true.  I'd love to understand that.  If you wanted to help me understand where you're coming from?  Is it impossible for there to be any world in which god exists, and that particular claim is false?

I said I would table the idea of suppression because you reject it. Do you want it tabled or do you want to explore it?

As far as a world in which God exists and the Bible isn't true I want to note that there's somewhat of a nuance in the way you asked your question. I am not arguing for god. I am arguing for the triune God of the Bible. That's important. You can make any claim you want about what another god would do in whatever circumstance. I'm not arguing from a particular source for a particular God. This isn't from the dome.

Assuming the God of the Bible exists I would say no, there is no world in which the God of the Bible exists and the Bible (or any of it's claims) are false.

Here's why...

When we talk about God (in the Bible) He is perfect and His ways are perfect. So when he chooses to act, He acts perfectly. That means that, whether we like it or not, the world we live in reflects perfectly what God intended it to. When I say perfectly I mean precisely, exactly what God wanted. I don't mean perfect as in no evil. He didn't create the best available option. He created precisely what He wanted. So in that context, another creation with different outcomes or events or standards or truths would then have to either be more perfect or less perfect than this creation.

If He could create a more perfect creation that means God created not exactly what He wanted in this creation.
If He created a less prefect creation that would mean God is settling for something that's not exactly what He wanted. I already established that the God of the Bible is prefect and acts perfectly, so to act imperfectly would be for Him to act against His own nature, which makes no sense.

So no, there is no world where the God of the Bible exists and the Bible isn't true. What we have here, in this creation, is the only way.

So, if you make a claim that is contrary to the Bible, either your claim is false or the Bible's claim is false.