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Atheism: The True Path?
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RE: Atheism: The True Path?
(June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Or any other it seems.

That's an extreme case of blinkered thought.

Only if you're a theist who believes in fantasies as truth.

(June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Science is built on accumulated data, it's rationale is inductive not deductive, it makes no absolute claims ... on the other hand religion is NOT built on accumulated date or inductive reasoning yet it's claims ARE absolute. The strength of science is that it is honest in its limitations, religion by definition is not.

The point is that scientific explanations (allowing for human frailties) are flexible, they change with new evidence, they are non-teleological ... religious explanations are inflexible, they change only with bludgeoned evidence (in other words when a scientific explanation becomes so convincing that religions have no choice but to recognise them or end up looking like a bunch of fucking prats), they are entirely teleological.

So no, "science of the gaps" is an incredibly naïve concept.

Religion has (here, as I have pointed it out) stated that God is timeless. This interpretation isn't 'absolute' and it is at the same time consistent with current scientific understanding of the universe.

And I could state that god is cream cake ... just because I state it does that give it worth? NO. If a hundred people state that does that give it worth? No. A thousand? No ... that people state something DOES NOT confer upon it any inherent value.

Belief in ANYTHING without evidence, without logical reason is utterly at odds with scientific thought so the question becomes how logical the belief in a given god is and since you can't or won't provide any validatable supporting evidence I believe it is fair to say that it IS inconsistent with what we currently understand about the universe.

(June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're dreaming thinking that religion ever changed it's mind bludgeoned by facts. Show me one tenet of Christianity that has changed at all. How come the bible isn't constantly being re-written if it had ever realistically been proved to be wrong? I get the feeling that being slapped with a wet kipper you'd still insist everyone else was imagining it.

EVERY mainstream religion has hard to accept evolution ... they had no fucking choice! I rest my case!

(June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Of course I know it would be absurd but not, I suspect, for the reasons I think you would think I think it absurd ... I think it absurd because I am well aware that you have no bloody evidence and never will do, that you are FORCED to wax philosophical/metaphysical and to claim that we would expect no evidence for deity precisely because you know you CANNOT supply it.

Well I told you first that there was no evidence nor would there ever be. It's not me that's insisting on evidence. I've explained many times why it isn't relevant. Scientific philosophy apparently requires a certain amount of blind repetition

IOW your god does not exist ... simples!

Kyu
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Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 14, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 14, 2009 at 2:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Tabby - June 14, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 14, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 6:52 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 15, 2009 at 12:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 15, 2009 at 3:22 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by lukec - June 15, 2009 at 4:23 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 15, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 15, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Ace Otana - June 15, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 15, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Dotard - June 15, 2009 at 10:18 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 15, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 1:50 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 16, 2009 at 12:23 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 10:08 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by lrh9 - June 16, 2009 at 1:06 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by chatpilot - June 16, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by josef rosenkranz - June 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 16, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 16, 2009 at 9:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 17, 2009 at 8:49 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 17, 2009 at 9:19 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 17, 2009 at 7:33 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 17, 2009 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 5:00 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 20, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 17, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 9:54 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 17, 2009 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 18, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 5:56 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 19, 2009 at 4:22 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Giff - June 19, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 19, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 19, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 19, 2009 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 19, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 20, 2009 at 3:02 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 20, 2009 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 20, 2009 at 6:29 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 20, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Darwinian - June 20, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 3:48 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 22, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 22, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by rwas3 - June 23, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm

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