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Atheism: The True Path?
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RE: Atheism: The True Path?
(June 20, 2009 at 6:08 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
Quote:You don't get religion. Faith in a God that you can't prove. *shrugs*

I don't see how "Faith" defined as 'belief without evidence' can possibly be rational, no - it's totally irrational to believe in other things without evidence...why would it be different with God?

You're saying the same thing again. Let me put it yet another way for you:

So you're saying, categorically, that without evidence there is no possibility of rationality?

The rationale for faith is that there is no evidence. That's what you're asked to accept. You can't accept it. Fair enough. That doesn't make it irrational. That just makes you unwilling to consider it rationally.

Why shouldn't it be different with God? So what if that's a unique requirement? Does that make it any less valid? There are thousands of expressions of descriptions of the phenomenon throughout human history. Trying to belittle it as 'special pleading' is saying nothing is allowed to be unique. This dismissal doesn't carry.

You're asked to consider it so that you might understand what follows. To those that have tried it, it makes sense. It logically follows. It works out. You cry that you can't understand it whilst refusing to follow the logic. That makes you deliberately ignorant.


Belief is never certainty. Belief isn't like you believe you have an arm. You can know you have an arm. You don't have to believe it.

You're going to have to remove 'belief' from our vocabulary, along with 'faith', because neither make sense using your rationalisation.

Belief in God is just that. A trust. A faith. Why? Because we cannot know. Rational? It's purely rational, because it can't be evidential. We can't know, therefore we have to rationalise it and believe or not. As a result of that rational decision we cna take further logical steps. These steps form religious thought.
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Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 14, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 14, 2009 at 2:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Tabby - June 14, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 14, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 6:52 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 15, 2009 at 12:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 15, 2009 at 3:22 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by lukec - June 15, 2009 at 4:23 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 15, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 15, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Ace Otana - June 15, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 15, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Dotard - June 15, 2009 at 10:18 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 15, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 1:50 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by padraic - June 16, 2009 at 12:23 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 10:08 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 16, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 17, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by lrh9 - June 16, 2009 at 1:06 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by chatpilot - June 16, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by josef rosenkranz - June 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 16, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 16, 2009 at 9:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 17, 2009 at 8:49 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 17, 2009 at 9:19 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 17, 2009 at 7:33 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 17, 2009 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 5:00 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 20, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 17, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 9:54 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 17, 2009 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 18, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 18, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LukeMC - June 18, 2009 at 5:56 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 19, 2009 at 4:22 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Giff - June 19, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 19, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 19, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 19, 2009 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 19, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 20, 2009 at 3:02 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by dagda - June 20, 2009 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Demonaura - June 20, 2009 at 6:29 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by LEDO - June 20, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Darwinian - June 20, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2009 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 3:48 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 22, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Edwardo Piet - June 22, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by leo-rcc - June 22, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by rwas3 - June 23, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Atheism: The True Path? - by Kyuuketsuki - June 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm

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