(June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 21, 2009 at 3:48 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Actually the analogy of god being a cream cake (or any other stupid analogy I care to use including the FSM) very much does deal with it ... the point I am making is that it is just a claim with no greater or lesser merit than any other UNTIL you provide verifiable evidence to support it.
I agree there is no more merit for the claim but that's besides the point. I was asking about the scientific logic of the biblical statement of God being timeless. That's all.
There is no "scientific logic" for god at all so how can there be "scientific logic" for the claim that such a being is timeless?
(June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 21, 2009 at 3:48 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No it's not ... the bible does get rewritten (this explains the variety of the bloody things ... wanna tell me which bible is the authoritative one?) and it is the case that religions have been dragged unwilling to face up to modern day thought.
We're still using exactly the same original source in EVERY version there is. The most accurate version currently is the NIV originally published in 1978, with a minor revision in 1984.
No you're not ... there are many Christians who reject all versions of the bible except King James and careful reading of the two in parallel demonstrate differences that can be significant.
(June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Interpretation and what people take as meaning varies but the source remains the same.
Not if you're using NIV as your source no.
(June 21, 2009 at 5:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Evolution is not contrary to the bible. Some peoples interpretation of the bible is. There's more evidence to suggest that the bible is actually more accurate scientifically than has been interpreted down the centuries. Flat Earth theory for example wasn't biblical.
Yes it is because it specifies a god that created animals and humans personally when evolution most definitely does not specify that and it does it in a 6 day period for which there is even less. Furthermore it claims evidence of a 40 day rainstorm & consequent flood that covered every mountain (to more than 5 cubits as I recall) for which there is no geological support and which, if true, would result in VERY different evolutionary evidence ... it's that that sends the fundies into such hysterical cataclysms of evidence twisting.
(June 21, 2009 at 3:48 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Like fuck it is! And humorous or not the point remains that you do what you do, say what you say and do so in the way you do because you have no other choice!
Sorry.. who has no choice?
You don't. You have to argue your god is somewhere else, somewhere that can't be tested or reached by science ... you have no choice.
Kyu
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