What's your opinion on Liberal Religion?

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I’m not sure what “liberal” means any more. I used to think I was a political liberal, but now people say the Clintons and Obama are liberals, and they are obviously evil, so I don’t know what word to use. But if we use “liberal” as the opposite of the “fundie” I described above, then this is a liberal:

What does big mean? What does small mean?

Let’s check the dictionary. I will use the Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com

Big = large or great in dimensions, bulk, or extent
(I just picked the definition about size)

So now that we have learned the definition of the word “big”, is the room I am in big?

Words like big, small, tall, short, old, young, intelligent, dumb are relative terms and there are more.
People can use them any way they wish.
I think it is called “playing it fast and loose” in united statian lingo.

You think that Clintons and Obama are evil? Fine, how did you measure that?

He knows that good people may disagree.

There is one of those words: good.
What is god, what is bad? How is it measured?

He interacts with people in non-judgmental ways, and tries to see the good in them.

How do you know that a person is non-judgmental? How are you going to figure out what is going on in his mind?
Do we have a machine that can plug into a person’s brain and read his thoughts?

There is that word again: good.

He feels that being kind to people is a good thing; how we behave toward others says something about ourselves, and is not something that changes depending on whether we judge others deserving or not.

Kind is one of those words. How kind is he. is he kind enough to be called a kind person?

Can we have some way to measure this, to quantify this?

He is interested in and curious about people unlike himself.

But what if I am curious at one point and on another day I lose interest or I am not curious about a guy I meet on Wednesday?

Can we have some way to measure this, to quantify this?

As an example of a fundie atheist, there was a guy on this forum who recently said that rational people should still be learning, and if they are still learning they should eventually agree with him and become atheists. Anyone who could make a statement like this must live in a very narrow intellectual world. He must be completely unaware of all the rational, brilliant people — way smarter than he is — who are still religious, or who became religious. The idea that a person can just beg the question like that, and assume that “rational” equals “will agree with me” seems unjustifiable to me.

Rational people. Ugly people. Beautiful people.
It’s in the eye of the beholder.
I think we should not just categorize people like this. We should compare, we should measure.


Man, it was very hot that day.
How hot was it?
It was so hot, that the butter in my kitchen melted.

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I do tire of hearing atheism being presented as the only rational position when in fact it is only as rational as the epistemic assumptions of the belief holder. I also do not accept the idea that atheism is the default, no burden of proof, position, since IMHO it is the couterintuitive one.

You think that the position of having evidence before believing in the existence of something is not rational?

How is theism more intuitive for you?

Note: I don’t know if I will be able to demonstrate that having evidence is the rational position.
I don’t know if theism is the rational position.
But, I would be happy to explore both of them.