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Ham vs. Craig
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RE: Ham vs. Craig
(March 2, 2021 at 5:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Kind of reminds me of Comicon dweebs arguing over Superman vs Batman kind of shit.


Just without the spiffy uniforms....

Comicon dweebs are often found to know that Superman and Batman aren’t real, spiffy uniforms not withstanding.

(November 27, 2021 at 8:54 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(November 27, 2021 at 8:04 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Here is a good summary:

http://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2018/08...ia-really/

I only get picky about this because we're slamming Ken Ham for repeating falsehoods about history that support his ideology. I've seen the Hypatia story used in a similar fashion by atheists.

Good summary.  I envy the certitude of the bloke who wrote it. Pretty sure he/she contradicts the book I have. Meh, the details don't matter imo. 

That Hypatia was murdered by Christians of Alexandria is the point imo.    Xians began murdering 'heretics' to start with beginning in the fourth century.  Groups considered enemies was soon expanded to 'pagans', a very broad term at the time. Xians began insisting everyone be like them or else.  That attitude persisted through and after the protestant reformation.


Belacque claims to not be Christian,  but often becomes table poundingly apoplectic whenever Christianity, it’s influence on its adherents, or the general effect of its existence on humanity is described in anything  Short of most maximally nauseatingly hagiography terms.     He freely accuses any description of Christianity as the most complete, unmitigated, and maximal boon for mankind as unforgivably bigoted.

This is An interesting perspective to take for one who who claims to have personally not been sufficiently motivated to become a Christian.     I think he dost protest too much by a very large factor, either way.

(November 27, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(November 27, 2021 at 6:55 pm)Belacqua Wrote: The myth that Hypatia was murdered for religious reasons is false.

 I didn't say she was, didn't mean to infer it either, apologies. Her murder was about power.

Hypatia was murdered on the  urging of the Bishop of Alexandria.   A pagan, a philosopher  mathematician and woman who disagreed with Christian dogma She had some influence with the Governor  and some of the people of Alexandria. Consequently, she was a threat to the Bishop's power. Anyway, that's my take based on what I've seen and read.  

My reference:  'Hypatia Her Life And Times. Faith L Justice'.   I think that's right. I have two books on Hypatia, one is a novel. I read them pretty close together a few years ago, so I may have gotten them mixed up. I'll have look later and see if I can find them.

Murdered for threatening power based on religious foundations is different from being murdered for religious reasons how?
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Messages In This Thread
Ham vs. Craig - by Fake Messiah - March 2, 2021 at 4:52 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Nay_Sayer - March 2, 2021 at 5:11 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 2, 2021 at 5:17 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2021 at 5:32 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by onlinebiker - March 2, 2021 at 5:47 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 2, 2021 at 6:02 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2021 at 9:39 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by no one - March 2, 2021 at 11:50 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by brewer - March 3, 2021 at 8:43 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Brian37 - March 3, 2021 at 9:08 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by onlinebiker - March 3, 2021 at 9:35 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Angrboda - March 3, 2021 at 9:40 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Brian37 - March 3, 2021 at 9:59 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Fake Messiah - November 27, 2021 at 1:56 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by onlinebiker - March 3, 2021 at 9:44 am
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 27, 2021 at 4:50 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Belacqua - November 27, 2021 at 6:55 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 27, 2021 at 7:27 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Belacqua - November 27, 2021 at 8:04 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 27, 2021 at 8:54 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Belacqua - November 27, 2021 at 10:04 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2021 at 11:43 pm
RE: Ham vs. Craig - by Fake Messiah - November 27, 2021 at 11:50 pm

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