RE: Theists: What is your stance on evolution?
November 29, 2021 at 12:50 am
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2021 at 1:02 am by WinterHold.)
(November 28, 2021 at 12:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 28, 2021 at 12:05 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I believe it's real; all creatures did evolve from something, house cats evolved from 'Felis silvestris lybica' after domestication for example.
Islam which I practice did mention that the creation of Adam involved a "fashioning" stage:
https://quran.com/15:29?font=v1&translations=131%2C20
Sura 15: verse 28˹: Remember, O Prophet˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from sounding clay moulded from black mud.1
Sura 15: verse 28˹ : So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own ˹creation˺ breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.”
I believe that "fashioning Adam" is evolution.
So, I believe in it. It's common sense.
Yeah, god fashioning Adam from clay is absolutely not what evolution is.
Boru
Your body is stardust + water.
That is clay.
(November 28, 2021 at 4:32 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:(November 28, 2021 at 12:05 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I believe it's real; all creatures did evolve from something, house cats evolved from 'Felis silvestris lybica' after domestication for example.
Islam which I practice did mention that the creation of Adam involved a "fashioning" stage:
https://quran.com/15:29?font=v1&translations=131%2C20
Sura 15: verse 28˹: Remember, O Prophet˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from sounding clay moulded from black mud.1
Sura 15: verse 28˹ : So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own ˹creation˺ breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.”
I believe that "fashioning Adam" is evolution.
So, I believe in it. It's common sense.
Umm, you do know you're on an atheist forum? Quoting the Quran is not usually accepted as reasoned argument.
Neither the Torah (from which a lot of the Quran was lifted) nor the Quran are history or science books. They are religious texts, written by men for men .
This atheist rejects the concept of revelation or dictation from a deity. Because I don't believe in god(s), I'm also unable to believe he inspired or dictated anything. What with probably not existing.
Fashioning Adam is evolution? Hardly. In that context, fashioning is usually taken to mean 'create' as far as I'm aware.. Of course, it's fine for you to find your own interpretations. As long as you're aware I for one will call you out. Especially when you make a claim as fatuous as fashioning Adam means evolution.
Look at my registration date. I know this forum before you.
No, fashioning literally means:
Quote:fashion
/ˈfaʃ(ə)n/
verb
gerund or present participle: fashioning
- make into a particular form.
"the bottles were fashioned from green glass"
- use materials to produce (something).
"the skins were fashioned into boots and shoes"
- Oxford Languages
So, God made certain materials into "a particular form" then breathed the soul into it.
Making the materials into "Adam" can take billions of years.
i.e the materials need to "evolve" until they reach the form of "Adam", then the soul would be breathed unto the being.
Picture it with me. Monkeys were the step before Adam. Gorillas too. Isn't that evolution; literally ?
Monkeys evolving into Homosapians ?and when the Homosapians came into being; God's soul was breathed into them.