(December 3, 2021 at 7:05 pm)Ranjr Wrote: We have chairs. We use different things as chairs. Regardless of what a chair is as a concept in our minds, they exist as objects around us, and I can count them, weigh them, and take various measurements. We don't have god. So regardless of what god is as a concept, it's not measurable. In that regard, there's no room for a metaphysical dodge.
This ^^^ is where I'm at on it.
Metaphysics feels like a different conversation, a distraction, and jerking off when we're talking about things that are physical and observably real. My point is, that defining god and religious concepts like souls and spirits in only metaphysical terms makes it incapable for them to fit a physical definition. So why ask for evidence?
I know, likely obvious, yeah. But it finally connected for me when I made this thread. But on top of that, I doubt science will ever discover something that can be pointed to by a theist/spiritual person as an admission of "yes. This physical thing you have found and measured is god/soul/magic." We won't get that. And it feels unlikely that science would ever discover something and call it the soul or a god. They'd call it something else, likely name it after the person who discovered it. So it's "that's not god. That's just lightning/weather" over and over again. The gaps are always going to be there.
