(December 15, 2021 at 4:44 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(December 15, 2021 at 3:13 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: If the god that Neo-Scholastic is talking about is a principle, then it doesn’t exist, just like emotions, numbers, names, languages, songs, stories, colors, ideas, designs, information, logic do not exist on their own.
I’ve already given the example with music, but here it is again.
In order for such things to exist, such as the design of a chair, you need atoms. A certain group of atoms can represent the “chair”.
Such things do not have an effect on reality. For example, you will never see the number 5 walking down the street, kicking a ball.
Music does not go around and push air molecules and other atoms around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hiding_theorem
Information is conserved. In fact, one can use rules about information to derive Quantum Mechanics.
One could argue that without "things" there would be no information, but without information, there can be no things. I see information as something just as real as a chair.
Unfortunately I do not know enough about Quantum physics to understand what they did as an experiment.
It would be nice to see a schematic of the setup, something visual, an explanation of the experiment.
To me, it looks like information is not something that gets conserved, because, one could write a software that write the same file, many times onto a hard disk.
You can have a copier machine, that keeps making copies of the same CD.
So, information can be cloned and it can be destroyed.
You can even have a factory that makes the same car over and over again. The car itself is a piece of information.
In fact, forget matter. Let’s talk virtual.
Let’s say I have a set of numbers = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}
and they get placed in order = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 <===a piece of information
and then, they get placed in another order 1, 5, 3, 4, 2 <=====another piece of information
but I think you were talking about the information content of the universe.