(December 20, 2021 at 12:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: ...
@emjay – I get your point. If the 5W are true then God has a minimum of five features. Thomas of Aquinas demonstrates that they are all features of one thing, which is where the Summa picks-up immediately after the 5W., whether or not God has parts, i.e. simplicity versus complexity. So when someone, not you, repeatedly suggests that the 5W just dangle out there unconnected to each other, it only shows that that person got their understanding of the 5W from skeptical YouTube videos and not from actually reading the Summa. Divine Simplicity, in Scholastic thought, is distinguished from complexity. God does not have parts. This does not exclude the possibility that God can be experienced in multiple ways and/or have infinite effects.
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Thanks for the summary, but the main point I was trying to make was that any entity, however complex or simple, and however you might decide to divide it up, is still a something-not-nothing, and thus from my POV either requires an explanation for it's own existence or requires to be accepted as a brute fact. And though the logic of essential series may dictate that the first element be uncaused, unmoved etc, that doesn't go any way to explaining how, if not why, that is the case.
But that's based on viewing God as some sort of entity... which I think is implied... or harder to deny... by it allegedly having multiple facets including some sort of intelligence, but if you see it otherwise, as something like Platonic Forms or whatever, that's what I'm curious about... but on that score, I have nothing to say really... no opinion... as I'm not informed enough about it, and it's not something I can intuitively conceptualise either as or as not an 'entity' in this sense I'm talking about it of something-not-nothing, especially in the case of multiple Forms... like Good, Beauty etc... somehow grouped together as one under the heading of God.
I'm sorry but this thread's just getting awkward/stressful now, so I might soon call it a day.