*shock horror!* A convert to Islam was plotting a terrorist attack!

[Edwardo Piet]

Why do you assume that is a person isn't born there it isn't his or her country?

Did I say that? Well if they're a citizen then.

And why can't he or she be patriotic about it?

They obviously can because they do. I'm not against 'love of a country' so long as it isn't pride, IMO that's not generally a good thing (and doesn't really make any sense to me). And also so long as the 'love' of the country isn't a biased love, simply because that it's 'their country'.

What you mean is Chauvinism. Chauvinism is a blind belief in national superiority and glory. It's a hyped version of Nationalism, somewhat akin towards Jingoism.

Ok thanks for the info - when I hear of 'Patriotism' with a capital "P" it tends to be expressed that way. Especially in Britain with the whole Football, Football, Football thing and "Rule Britannia", a kind of elitist "We're the best" attitude. It's kind of like the fact that Britain used to have a big Empire and that we ruled a lot of the world...is some kind of good thing? I mean what happened before my own Birth in 'my' country - has got fuck-all to do with me of course. I don't care what good or bad has come out of it - I had no part in it. So I'm not going to feel good or bad about it - doesn't make any sense at all to me. I can't feel proud or guilty about or for my country.

I'm a world citizen. Or - universal citizen

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