(November 22, 2011 at 8:24 pm)Old Seer Wrote:Experience is one.(November 21, 2011 at 1:02 am)aleialoura Wrote: I wonder how many people here think that the Jesus from the gospels in the bible actually existed in reality?Consider that JC would not be recorded in civil history. He wasn't considered a great guy in the eyes of Hebrew authorities. He was seen as a shyster, fraud and hieratic. Also a threat to their authority. Civil leaders don't like competition especially from a no count, low class citizen.
What do you think? Please explain why/how you came to your conclusion.
You won't find him in Roman Civil history in Jerusalem either. The only possibility would in the Roman judicial records of his trial if they could be found. In civil history he's not a notable guy. In his own right he's just an average Joe. All that's left is the records of his followers which the truth of their recordings is questioned. Another problem is historical records have to be approved by civil authority, they only record what conforms to their preferences. Other recorders of history aren't normally recognized. There's no apparent reason why his followers would lie, but they are all that's available for analysis.
It should be considered that the man is very misunderstood. He's being blamed for the actions of those who who misunderstand his mission and are in positions of authority that allow them to do the atrocities. They would do those things whether he existed or not. They claim to act in his name but he is in no way representative of those actions.
Also a consideration should be made that what is considered in the world as Christianity is not. Any doubts that one would have in his regard should be investigated and a comparison made.
He also related to things told in parables that can be taken the wrong way. Of course a parable is a story but one needs to understand him to make an interpretation. The parables lead to many misunderstandings if taken totally
literal.
Do I believe he physically existed-yes. Because I understand the mission. The mission was to bring new understandings so the world could be at peace. About 50 AD Christianity as it was /supposed to be, was lost. It became what the new leaders wanted for their own advantage. The new leaders were authoritarians. Proper Christianity doesn't exist on authority of individuals, it exists on the transfer of a certain knowledge, guidance and example.
Eventually civil governments claimed it and the perversion was complete. In proper understanding of his character he represented a set of characteristics that we all have. We all have human (humane) and animal characteristics. He was representative of only the human side. The world operates on the animal characters which is the reason the world is the way it is. More later --or I will answer questions.