Russia and Ukraine

[Deesse23]

Is that all you have? Or do you have actual arguments as to why invading a sovereign state is a-ok, under some very specific conditions, or for very special people?

Like if it weren’t ok that means Russia would be worse than the US?  We Who made up bullshit to invent the necessity of invading Iraq?

But as it were real Necessity does trump OKness.   A nuclear state intending to maintain its ability  to pursue independent foreign policy has the necessity of protecting the credibility of nuclear arsenal.   That is a ground reality that trumps any arbitrary perception of OKness.   Ask why Kennedy thought it was ok to prepare to invade cuba if the Soviets didn’t move nuclear weapons out of three?  Cuba was a sovereign state too and Cubans wanted them there, wanted them more than the Soviets did. 

You might as well ask if it is ok for gravity to pull a falling virtuous person, virtuous in your eyes but perhaps not in eyes of other by the way, to his death. 

It is not as if Russia was closed to any other means to address this this necessity short of an invasion.   

They made their concern clear, and it wasn’t for the first time when they did so in the immediate month before this invasion,    It was we who willfully closed off every option short of war because it would look bad for NATO, and we though there is an off chance that Russia might back down and thus stop being able to pursue an independent foreign policy, which is what we wanted all along.     We did those knowing this will leave war and invasion Russia’s only real option other than giving up its ability to conduct independent foreign policy.

We basically treated Ukraine as an expendable pawn to see if we can use it to largely eliminate the credibility of Russia’s land based nuclear deterrence and with it Russia’s ability to act as an international play not susceptible to our nuclear blackmail.

We are now alternating between whining and rage because they were not susceptible to our blackmail.

This is exactly the answer i expected. No, literally no, argument why what Putin did was not to be condemned, but a bunch of apologetic BS and whataboutism.

Iraq, Kennedy, Cuba, someone being  a nuclear power, and ultimately the color of my pants are completely irrelevant to the point of "at what point should it be legal under international law to invate another sovcereign state"?

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Since the end of Cold War, especially since 2001, face it, we are the crude brutal savages of the world, who think who owe nothing to any one whom we do not approve.   We fabricate excuses to invade other countries, think we are so tough we can trample major power’s core interests at will.

...which is utterly irrelevant to the invasion of the Ukraine, like literally everything you said in order to defend your position.