RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 4, 2022 at 4:23 am
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2022 at 5:30 am by Anomalocaris.)
(March 4, 2022 at 2:41 am)Deesse23 Wrote: And here we are, with an armchair Machiavellist, wo is enjoying freedom and pluralism from the safety of his desk somehwere in California, pontificating about how the "necessity" of war, murder and oppression trumps international law and how the people of Ukraine (and everyone else) should just accept being invaded, because......it was "necessary" for a dictator to do so.
How about you move to some baltic state and wait until Putin invades you, taking away all thats valuable to you, because.........its necessary for him? Reality, and me, certainly wont give a shit about you, thats for sure.
Ha!
The “Machiavellist” would be the side that close off all possibly exist ramps for Russia in Jan and Feb, knowing Russia would have no other recourse but to invade. They did this knowing what it would mean to Ukraine, they did this implying to the Ukrainians they would prevent Russian invasion but have neither the ability or the intention to do so, so that the Ukrainians would not be tempted to come to an independent accommodation with Russia and forestall the invasion.
They did this for a simple reason that they realized they over reached by pushing NATO boundary all they way to Russia Border and can’t stop Russia from pushing back the boundary of NATO, but they wanted to exacting the highest possible political price from Russia for arriving at the same inevitable end result. They maneuvers the Ukrainian into to become futile cannon fodder to be sacrificed purely for the opportunity to generate outage and provide reason for sanction, without having realistic hope of achieving something for Ukrainians themselves.
But since we are already here, I will state the bluntly obvious that everyone bemoaning ukraine is too foolishly head in sank to seem to understand:, The whole point of sacrificing some is so overall, the suffering is less.
You should ask why is it that those who made it necessary to sacrifice a few in order reduce the overall suffering, and why those are not sanctioned, while those who did the thing those people made necessary are sanctioned.