Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ha!

The “Machiavellist” would be the side that close off all possibly exist ramps for Russia in Jan and Feb, knowing Russia would have no other recourse but to invade.   They did this knowing what it would mean to Ukraine,  they did this implying to the Ukrainians they would prevent Russian invasion but have neither the ability or the intention to do so, so that the Ukrainians would not be tempted to come to an independent accommodation with Russia and forestall the invasion.

They did this for a simple reason that they realized they over reached by pushing NATO boundary all they way to Russia Border and can’t stop Russia from pushing back the boundary of NATO, but they wanted to exacting the highest possible political price from Russia for arriving at the same inevitable end result.   They maneuvers the Ukrainian into to become futile cannon fodder to be sacrificed purely for the opportunity to generate outage and provide reason for sanction, without having realistic hope of achieving something for Ukrainians themselves.


But since we are already here, I will state the bluntly obvious that everyone bemoaning ukraine is too foolishly head in sank to seem to understand:,   The whole point of sacrificing some is so overall, the suffering is less.

You should ask why is it that those who made it necessary to sacrifice a few in order reduce the overall suffering, and why those are not sanctioned, while those who did the thing those people made necessary are sanctioned.

There was no legitimate reason for Russia to invade and no one but made Russia do anything this is 100% on them and only them ......

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I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Well, let's take a look.

Putin's pretexts for the invasion:

-Protect Russian lives: failure

-Stop the eastward expansion of NATO: failure (Sweden and Finland)

Putin's goals for the invasion:

-Restoration of 'Greater Russia' as Russia/Belarus/Ukraine: failure (significant numbers of ethnic Russians in Ukraine no longer support Russia)

-Fracture NATO: abject failure (the invasion has sped up healing the splits in NATO caused by Trump)

Putin's expectations for the invasion:

-It would be done in 100 hours (his promise to the oligarchs): failure

-The world would do nothing: epic failure

-It would serve as a showcase for Russia's military might: failed in terms of morale, logistics, planning and execution

The above aside, can Russia eventually take Ukraine? Probably. But there's a huge difference between taking a country and holding a country. Putin doesn't have the military or economic resources to hold Ukraine in the face of determined opposition by the West. The invasion has already cratered the Russian economy. Sadly, though, Putin's megalomania won't ever allow him to withdraw. Over the next few years, the situation for the average Russian is going to get more and more dire, and Putin is likely to be remembered as the man who removed Russia as a player on the world stage.

Boru

Yup, he has failed in every way imaginable and he has only himself to blame because Ukraine and any other nation have the right to join NATO if they want to, and no one needed to consult Russian on dick nor was NATO obligated to let Russia join. So this is Russia throwing a hissy fit for no valid reason.

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Ha!

The “Machiavellist” would be the side that close off all possibly exist ramps for Russia in Jan and Feb, knowing Russia would have no other recourse but to invade.

Yes, the Prince would corner his enemy, force him to invade another country, then do nothing at all, but go to the UN council (of which the enemy is a member of) and get a resolution declined.

Yeah, a real sly fox this Prince.

You havent read any of Machiavelli, have you? You are still sitting behind your desk on the west coast, just waiting for Putin to send his invasion force, since......its necessary to him, ya know, and then you would run over, in spirit of Benedict Arnold and offer him a blow job, while he is taking all liberties from you, since.....its necessary, ya know.

Pathetic.

Yes throwing hissy fits and invading your neighbors because you don't like the fact you don't get a say in what international organization they get to be in and they didn't invite you is " necessary"