(March 8, 2022 at 9:36 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:(March 6, 2022 at 11:50 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Why? Because they can't call him perfect then. If you heard about let's say "perfect architect" and saw that over 50% of his buildings have fatal flaws, would you call him perfect architect?
Or could a student whose work is mostly below average be called a "perfect student"?
The theists response would be something like this:
According to who’s standard he isn’t perfect? You.
The only standard that matters is that of god and he is perfect. We don’t know everything about his plans.
I have talked to enough theists, mostly christian, that I can emulate them.
I could probably have a conversation with myself
Then they would be ignoring what I just said because perfection has its standards.
And I am aware that theists like to give nonsense responses, so you don't have to necessarily emulate it.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"