RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 5, 2022 at 6:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2022 at 7:15 pm by Anomalocaris.)
no, the german started losing before that. They lost big at stalingrad at the end of 1942, recovered somewhat in spring of 1943, got nowhere at kursk despite of near numerical parity at kursk in mid 1943, got beaten back several times, largely kicked out of ukraine and barely avoided a smaller repeat of stalingrad at Kursun pocket in early 1944, this was all during the period when deployed tank wise the two sides were either roughly at parity or when German quantitative superiority still balanced russian numerical superiority. so it is not true that the Russians could not learn from their tactical mistakes and relied on big numbers of wonder tanks instead.
remember you wanted to bring up T34, nor me. so who is being up the red herring?
we don’t know exactly why the russian tank factories stoped production, we also don’t know for sure they did, at least no follow up confirmation. we have no idea if the bottle neck is a part or parts for which there are substitutes, We also know Russia has enormous inventory or older models of T72 Lineage tanks in storage, and we don’t know how many of these can be easily or effectively modernized to supplement the production of new tanks.
as to applying the operational art, as i said before, that was in my opinion their initial plan to apply deep battle doctrine by leading off with Moskirovka and multi-axis attack. That failed. At the moment they lack the capability to try again on the same ukraine wide scale.. So it is my opinion they will attempt to draw out the war, while limiting the exposures created by the defects on their forces so far revealed, with the aim to cripple Ukraine demographically by driving out urban population of ukraine as refugees instead of making big bold deep battle style attacks in the near future.
But that is in response to the particular circumstances that arose in ukraine. it does not imply to me that going forward, they would abandon deep battle as their core doctrine for future wars.
remember you wanted to bring up T34, nor me. so who is being up the red herring?
we don’t know exactly why the russian tank factories stoped production, we also don’t know for sure they did, at least no follow up confirmation. we have no idea if the bottle neck is a part or parts for which there are substitutes, We also know Russia has enormous inventory or older models of T72 Lineage tanks in storage, and we don’t know how many of these can be easily or effectively modernized to supplement the production of new tanks.
as to applying the operational art, as i said before, that was in my opinion their initial plan to apply deep battle doctrine by leading off with Moskirovka and multi-axis attack. That failed. At the moment they lack the capability to try again on the same ukraine wide scale.. So it is my opinion they will attempt to draw out the war, while limiting the exposures created by the defects on their forces so far revealed, with the aim to cripple Ukraine demographically by driving out urban population of ukraine as refugees instead of making big bold deep battle style attacks in the near future.
But that is in response to the particular circumstances that arose in ukraine. it does not imply to me that going forward, they would abandon deep battle as their core doctrine for future wars.
