RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 19, 2022 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2022 at 2:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Less than when russia began pacifying it years ago. There was no home grown separatist revolt in ukraine. There was an invasion of "little green men". It was legitimately smart on russias part - not at all like their current clusterfuck except in the small tactical details - which they took pains to avoid......then. It's entirely of a piece with their recent recognition of the "independent" regions or "breakaway republics" of donetsk and luhansk.
14k people died fighting since that 2014 invasion - and that was before this current invasion. Some of them, I'm sure, just want it to end..and many of them..equally sure, were just as wrong and misinformed in a deeply relevant way about supposed russian greatness and strength as any western pundit at the beginning of this phase of that same conflict.
-but lets run with it, because we probably both default to people having the right to self determination even if their self determinations are idiotic. Suppose you were a breakaway or independant republic that wanted to be recognized..and not jst symbolically or for effect - but..as..in, not bombed to the stone age when you try to make one of those "independent" decisions. Who thinks they'd be better of at that negotiating table with fucking russia.....over ukraine? Russia looking like a nation that suffers independent republics right now?
14k people died fighting since that 2014 invasion - and that was before this current invasion. Some of them, I'm sure, just want it to end..and many of them..equally sure, were just as wrong and misinformed in a deeply relevant way about supposed russian greatness and strength as any western pundit at the beginning of this phase of that same conflict.
-but lets run with it, because we probably both default to people having the right to self determination even if their self determinations are idiotic. Suppose you were a breakaway or independant republic that wanted to be recognized..and not jst symbolically or for effect - but..as..in, not bombed to the stone age when you try to make one of those "independent" decisions. Who thinks they'd be better of at that negotiating table with fucking russia.....over ukraine? Russia looking like a nation that suffers independent republics right now?
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