Is there free will in heaven?

[The Grand Nudger]

How do you know how you will be after death? I thought as a kid, I will never stop loving lego, and would want to buy it as I grew older. It didn't happen as I thought. What makes you so sure you will always enjoy porn or sex? How do you know you want become something different after death?

End of the road. But, since you like this sort of question. How do you know I will become something different? What gives your claims to my personal growth or tendencies more weight than my own? I probably know myself a little better than you or any christian knows me, agreed?

Opted out of what?

Heaven.

Well if we change as children to something different, we grew out of it, we changed, I see higher plane of existence as something we will change into, but we still remain whom we are. I don't see how changing means your not whom you are anymore. We aren't the same as we were when kids, but we are still the same person.

What does any of this have to do with an afterlife, and why are we even assuming that the afterlife will be a continuation of our earthly lives, or that there is an afterlife to begin with? Wishful thinking and anthropomorphism.

Well I don't have an issue with sex myself, but I thought were talking about the Christian perspective, if free-will was compatible with it.

Indeed, and apparently it isn't, until someone can offer up an even remotely convincing argument (see how my standards have fallen, I don't even give a shit anymore if whatever someone is arguing for is true, I just want the argument to have some weight. That's what happens after seeing so many shitty arguments).

Why can't you be sastified with the things you were sastified with as a baby? Why don't you enjoy kid toys anymore? Why can't you get yourself to enjoy those anymore? It's sort of the same question. You are of higher state, so those things don't please you anymore. You derive pleasure from different things. I don't see how this is not possible.

Good question. Why can't people be satisfied with the things they have or have had. Why do we invent a "better life" for ourselves after death? Whether or not I like lego sets has nothing to do with a "higher state". Case in point, lego sets are flat out awesome, and I'll be using my son as an excuse to purchase even more of them. You're fishing with ambiguous words to defend a poorly thought out and not so well defined concept.

(By the by, the sorts of toys that children enjoy, and why, and for how long they will enjoy them is pretty well understood, and it has nothing to do with "higher states of being" or anything at all that would translate to the afterlife, or any heaven)

Well the topic is not about that.

Oh no? Any time someone makes or defends a claim that is such obvious bullshit I'm going to let them finish imagining whatever gives them the warm fuzzies and say "That's all well and good, but is any of this factually accurate?" Otherwise we're having a discussion entirely in platitudes, which is frankly infuriating. Perhaps you've ignored the nagging possibility that this thread was intended as a device to expose the problems of the concept of free will and heaven, and how they relate to each other. In other words, a question that literally begs for people to offer up idiocy to be torn down.

But hey, again, I'm rolling with it so I'll ask you the question again. If I can change, when I get to heaven, can I change back? Can I start liking girl on girl porn again (and to use your analogy of children lets not forget the droves of adults who collect thousands of teddy bears in their senility)? What happens then? Do I get the boot like Lucifer? What good then was a heavenly reward, and a grueling earthly test if I was always going to fail in the long run, and I can never be assured of my spot singing praise to the great big ego in the clouds? Again, why does christian morality represent personal growth? People grow into serial killers too btw, why is this growth so uniderectional? Is everyone growing into something just like god wants them to be (IE, drones, all the same, same desires, same wishes, all of the same vices gone). Is this force that encourages growth in heaven irresistable or can I just decide never to grow up, like Peter Pan? Honestly if all you have to support or defend this claim is that you don't like lego bricks anymore...who cares, has nothing to do with the christian heaven? A concept that even the faithful seem to be abandoning. Hell, singing praise to him all day with your arms up wasn't good enough for GC, for example. Who instead wanted to manage a galaxy, and get buddy buddy with the bossman, maybe play rhythm to his lead.

"I don't like lego sets anymore therefore free will is compatible with heaven" Well I do, therefore it isn't. Everytime you invoke some aspect of your (or our) earthly lives as representative of the situation in heaven I'm going to dismiss it on the grounds that you are trying to impose something uniquely human and very much material on the cosmos and the immaterial. Before you ask "But how could I describe it then", that's the catch. Neither you, nor anyone else can describe a heaven without attempting to bait and switch the real world for the fairy world. How is it that we have so many descriptions of heaven then, argued for as though they were the honest truth? Because people have trouble passing up bullshit that makes them feel good, and gives them some sort of familiarity with something they have absolutely no knowledge of, or are completely terrified by. In the absence of an actual answer, almost anything will do, one of the many the wonders of the human mind.