That pro white thread.

[Irreligious Atheist]

They are self-proclaimed radicals and you are the one that phrased being radical as a negative thing.

When? The "vague and imprecise" don't make you radical thing? Nah. That was just me wanting more support for your "radical" claim.

I didn't bring up the word radical. Radical can be good or bad. It depends whether the changes you're aiming for are good for society or bad and just not realistic.

True. You didn't put the word into the debate. But you replied to a post where the word was used and said some things that I construed as negative opinions about radicalism. I guess you've clarified yourself here.

The lady is no longer working for BLM, but you should write BLM off as an organization, since there is millions of dollars donated to them that is unaccounted for right now, they are spending millions of dollars on houses, and BLM put a statement up on their official website calling Jussie Smollett innocent not long ago.

BLM the organization is in shambles, but of course protest should still continue and the more reasonable protesters should be listened to, and the pressure should be kept on the powers that be. I don't have all of the answers for how we get to a more equal society, but I'm pretty confident that getting rid of courts and telling society to just learn to deal with harm better is not the answer. I'm pretty sure that Boru's idea of making arrest and detainment optional and letting criminals run away is not the answer we're looking for either, but we should keep striving for that answer, whatever it is.

It's good to hear you say that. I appreciate many of the concessions you make, IR. I know a lot of folks don't give you credit for that, because you guys are too busy duking it out, but I appreciate that about you.

I also wonder if you aren't letting yourself get "worked up" by conservative critics of the woke movement. I'm not saying you are, but I AM saying that there are folks out there who intentionally try to get honest and thoughtful people worked up over what is (upon closer inspection) bullshit. I just don't want you to be one of them. I never take anyone's word for anything these days. If someone flashes a twitter post on a youtube vid, I always try to track down the post itself before concluding anything... shit like that.

A lot of mountains are made out of mole hills. It isn't just the left doing this.

edit: I also think you misrepresented Boru's statements.

You're absolutely right about conservatives sheepdogging people into getting worked up over sensible things. The woke will take the phrase "I don't see colour", and in bad faith, they will interpret that to mean "I don't care about issues people of colour deal with", when most people by saying that they don't see colour clearly just mean "I don't judge based on colour". The right does the exact same thing. When they hear people talking about white privilege, which is a very real thing, they will take that in bad faith and interpret that to mean that people are claiming all white people are born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

If the lady was saying make the prison system more like Norway, I'd be on board. I'm down for that. Major changes do need to be made. But when she starts talking about doing away with courts and instead teach society to better deal with being harmed, she's throwing out the baby with the bath water. I can certainly understand people seeing how terrible prisons are and wishing them away or seeing how unfair the court system can be for POC and wanting to blow that whole system up/burn it down and start a new, but despite all of it's flaws, I personally think there is still great value in the constitution of the US and with what the rest of the West has to offer, and we can't throw out the good with the bad.