(April 25, 2022 at 11:27 pm)Foxaire Wrote:

(April 25, 2022 at 11:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Purple?  Nah!

You colorist!

"Colourist", you strange, foreign devil!

(April 25, 2022 at 7:46 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(April 25, 2022 at 6:59 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: BLM founder calls financial disclosures triggering to black women and therefore racist, and calls for the abolition of police, prisons and jails, and courts. I wonder how good the gays and trans would have it if the activists like you got their way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcstICEvurs/

Sounds like a pretty radical and crazy statement from the edit.  How about context, and not just a sound bite?

The Right and Left often use edits to highlight a statement to "brand" someone a radical.  Sometimes its justified but often it isn't.  Context matters.

Now, if there wasn't any mediating context, then yes, this person is a radical, but how would you know without seeing the full interview?

I've heard the woman speak about this subject before, but yes, you are right. The clip was very short. I could not find that particular interview as it was supposedly deleted, but here is another one where she is talking about abolition. She is mostly pretty vague and not very precise about what she is calling for, and says her solution is building communities to have the capacity to deal with harm.

Vague and imprecise don't make you radical.

(April 26, 2022 at 12:51 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Vague and imprecise don't make you radical.

lol

From the official BLM website;

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

In 2013, three radical Black organizers — Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi — created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter.

(April 25, 2022 at 11:01 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(April 25, 2022 at 8:27 pm)Helios Wrote: Also, I point out she clearly said other systems would be put in place to replace them. That's the position of most abolitionists. She's not proposing utter lawlessness.

Yes, an organization who puts out an edict on their official website calling Jussie Smollett innocent, and a person who says that financial disclosures for non-profits are racist and therefore should not be required by law, I'm sure are people we can trust to come up with an alternative to having courts in society.

What is your alternative idea to "courts", Helios? And I did not bash blacks, liar. I'm bashing activists that are proposing nonsense. Nice that you see blacks as a monolith. Cut it out. 80 percent of black people do not want the police defunded. Stop lying and acting like YOUR views represent black people's views. I was merely responding to Nudge attacking gay rights activists and trying to lessen those achievements.

https://news.yahoo.com/blm-co-founder-sl...46217.html

Patrisse Cullors, a BLM founder, said she found it "triggering" — emotionally compromising — when she hears about financial documents being made public.

Cullors claimed that activists’ lives are put at risk and that they endure trauma by having to disclose their charities’ finances, while also claiming the system "is being literally weaponized against us," the Washington Examiner reported.

"This doesn't seem safe for us, this 990 structure — this nonprofit system structure," she said. "This is, like, deeply unsafe. This is being literally weaponized against us, against the people we work with."

1. I said she is an abolitionist and thus clearly supports an alternative system to our current one and thus is not proposing anarchy. Regardless of any actions, she or BLM may have taken it's still a valid position your employing a textbook Ad hominem. Also at no point does she say finical disclosers are racist and thus BLM should not be subject to them. It's not even in the quote you use. 

2. Accept you have not demonstrated its nonsense. Just asserting that it is is not an argument. Actually, you are bashing blacks and I have at no point either stated blacks are a monolith or that my views represent anybody. So actually it's you who is lying about me and about Nudge as at no point does he bash gay activists in that quote 

So fail 

So, BLM-proclaimed radicals are "official" radicals. That's your thesis?

I think what would qualify a person as radical would be some radical belief that they held. And even then, I'm not ready to write someone off simply because they have a few radical beliefs.

(April 26, 2022 at 1:23 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: So, BLM-proclaimed radicals are "official" radicals. That's your thesis?

I think what would qualify a person as radical would be some radical belief that they held. And even then, I'm not ready to write someone off simply because they have a few radical beliefs.

True at one-time people called Voltaire and Locke radicals. Jefferson was considered a radical. Radical seems like a totally subjective term.

(April 25, 2022 at 7:46 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(April 25, 2022 at 6:59 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: BLM founder calls financial disclosures triggering to black women and therefore racist, and calls for the abolition of police, prisons and jails, and courts. I wonder how good the gays and trans would have it if the activists like you got their way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcstICEvurs/

Sounds like a pretty radical and crazy statement from the edit.  How about context, and not just a sound bite?

The Right and Left often use edits to highlight a statement to "brand" someone a radical.  Sometimes its justified but often it isn't.  Context matters.

Now, if there wasn't any mediating context, then yes, this person is a radical, but how would you know without seeing the full interview?

Too bad she never says what IA says she does. At no point does she call  financial disclosures racist

(April 26, 2022 at 1:23 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: So, BLM-proclaimed radicals are "official" radicals. That's your thesis?

I think what would qualify a person as radical would be some radical belief that they held. And even then, I'm not ready to write someone off simply because they have a few radical beliefs.

They are self-proclaimed radicals and you are the one that phrased being radical as a negative thing. I didn't bring up the word radical. Radical can be good or bad. It depends whether the changes you're aiming for are good for society or bad and just not realistic.

The lady is no longer working for BLM, but you should write BLM off as an organization, since there is millions of dollars donated to them that is unaccounted for right now, they are spending millions of dollars on houses, and BLM put a statement up on their official website calling Jussie Smollett innocent not long ago.

BLM the organization is in shambles, but of course protest should still continue and the more reasonable protesters should be listened to, and the pressure should be kept on the powers that be. I don't have all of the answers for how we get to a more equal society, but I'm pretty confident that getting rid of courts and telling society to just learn to deal with harm better is not the answer. I'm pretty sure that Boru's idea of making arrest and detainment optional and letting criminals run away is not the answer we're looking for either, but we should keep striving for that answer, whatever it is.