(July 22, 2022 at 1:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Billy, billy, billy.... relax."The truth is no one knows how the Universe came into being. There are ideas, but none is proven and perhaps none will ever be proven, given that repeatability detail we like to have in science and our Universe is just one and it must have started just once.
You may have heard about the fine tuning argument a few days ago and decided to run over some atheists with it... but we've heard it years ago and, like Mister Agenda said, it's just a thought experiment with a lot of if-clauses for which we have no way of knowing one way or the other, so relax... It's not the end-all argument you think it is.
The truth is no one knows how the Universe came into being. There are ideas, but none is proven and perhaps none will ever be proven, given that repeatability detail we like to have in science and our Universe is just one and it must have started just once.
One thing that could help in that regard are the ideas that posit the existence of other universes, but that too is very likely beyond our ability to conclusively show, so... meh.
Also, the Big Bang is declared to be a singularity and these things are considered to break some or all known laws of Physics, so maybe the Big Bang did break thermodynamics... who knows?
The maths shows that even time and space fizzle into nothingness at the Big Bang... thermodynamics kinda require that 4-dimensional substrate we call space-time to operate, so... again... who knows?
My point of view is that, given that no one knows, let's not decide that an answer that was invented thousands of years ago is the correct one.... it very likely isn't.
Relax, mon ami. Enjoy the forum.
One thing that could help in that regard are the ideas that posit the existence of other universes, but that too is very likely beyond our ability to conclusively show, so... meh."
The truth is, you must prove the laws I gave did not exist when the universe was created naturally or the universe always existed naturally. Going by what we know and have NO doubts about, those laws show it could not have happened naturally. You can ignore that till the cows come home but do ignore what we know and claim "no one knows" is a lie.
"so maybe the Big Bang did break thermodynamics... who knows?"
If it did, give evidence that this natural event somehow had no such laws to abide by. All we know is that if you claim natural events then they MUST fit with the laws of nature. You don't like that and like all the rest of you brats, you will just dismiss that. None of you will admit you truly don't care about science. You just want to pretend to care and be so honest. You're clearly not.
"My point of view is that, given that no one knows, let's not decide that an answer that was invented thousands of years ago is the correct one.... it very likely isn't."
The correct one is backed by evidence and none of you are willing to admit that.
