(July 23, 2022 at 2:03 pm)Helios Wrote:"You have not established a need for the supernatural let alone a god."Quote:I'm not the one ignorant on the 1st and 2nd laws I gave. None of you have shown how that's ignorant so you give the lame excuse we don't know as you want to ignore what we know. None of you will be honest and just admit, going by what we know, creation had to be supernatural. You are doing the spoiled brat dance to avoid that. I'm just having fun seeing all your dancing around avoiding that clear fact.
I ignored nothing buddy just nothing you said really matters and the rest of this little temper tantrum can safely be dismissed. You have not established a need for the supernatural let alone a god. The only one who has been dancing around is you doing the same tired two-step as every other desperate god botherer who's come here has. You are not special lamb chop you are just another name no one here will remember in two weeks till you come back with another sock account![]()
When you get around to demonstrating that rules that currently apply to things within the universe must apply to before or to the formation of the universe without running afoul of a composition fallacy come back and try again. Also, no one needs to demonstrate the contrary. Also, natural events don't need to follow the current laws of physics to be natural.
Sure I did, you just lied and said I didn't.
"The only one who has been dancing around is you doing the same tired two-step as every other desperate god botherer who's come here has."
Another lie from you. Nothing new, it's a tactic used by many of you. I gave straight forward science only fools doubt and guess who doubts them but has no science to doubt them? Yes, YOUR side. Let's see what other lies you have.
"When you get around to demonstrating that rules that currently apply to things within the universe must apply to before or to the formation of the universe without running afoul of a composition fallacy come back and try again."
You are just another person who can't read, think, or be honest. I made it clear creation had to be supernatural. I never said the laws applied from the start when they could not have. Duh, I don't know how to make that clearer to your small brain. Now try to think even though that's hard for you.....YOU believe this all happened naturally so YOU need to show that in this natural universe that we now have, there was a time creation happened naturally or always existed that the laws I gave did not apply. Science does not show that. Science shows they always had to apply in our natural realm That is too much honesty though for you liars to accept. The cry all you want, you have NO science to back you up. So don't go whining how science upstages God when you jokes don't even follow science.
"Also, natural events don't need to follow the current laws of physics to be natural.
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Tiny brain person, if the laws of physics don't apply to a natural event, that event then is supernatural. I actually needed to explain that to you. Here's an example for your tiny brain, if a perpetual motion machine was invented, that would break the 2LT and be considered something beyond natural. Beyond natural is supernatural.
And the big laugh again is, you're just another tiny brain who thinks science upstages God and you don't even know science and when I put science in front of you all, all I get is we don't know. You all don't know because you refuse to know what science really is.