Fair enough, and I wasn't trying to be clever. I sometimes forget the diversity of this community. I will concede that worldwide, eternal torment in hell is a majority view just because it's catholic dogma and catholics are the wordlwide majority. Despite whether those Catholics actually believe it or not. You're still not getting the overall point though as you say "which also believe in the eternal nature of hell". I believe in the eternal nature of Hell as well, just not that whatever goes there writhes in torment forever, it's still not scriptually sound. Of the 4 words translated as Hell, Ghenna would be the closest to Hell and no verse of the 12 I'm farmiliar with says anyhting about being tormented eternally. If our resident RCC would like to have a debate about it, perhaps I could be enlightened into a new viewpoint.
As far as deriving from judaism, I'm fairly certain that Jesus was a Jew. I also currently worship in a messianic temple and a Rabbi taught some of our Bible studies.
Quote:"The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs" (CCC 1035).even the CCC states that the fire is eternal and further references
Quote:1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.bolding by me. What is eternal death? Destruction perhaps? Are you so sure eternal torment is doctrine of the RCC?
As far as deriving from judaism, I'm fairly certain that Jesus was a Jew. I also currently worship in a messianic temple and a Rabbi taught some of our Bible studies.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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