RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 4, 2022 at 9:18 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2022 at 9:34 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
(September 4, 2022 at 8:00 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:1. Russia will never use its Nukes over Ukraine.(September 4, 2022 at 7:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yes, that’s exactly why - geopolitics. Whatever the stated reasons given out for public consumption, wars are ALWAYS political (Clausewitz). There are no exceptions. This is something informed people know.
And as much as I respect Chomsky, he’s fallen down the rabbit hole of thinking that each and every European conflict is going to trigger a world war. Out if the hundreds of armed European conflicts, three have become global. Three.
Could Russia use nukes in Europe? Possible, but not very likely. Putin is clever enough to grasp that Russia could never beat NATO in either a conventional or nuclear conflict, and that the consequences for Russia would be far, far worse than for the alliance.
As for your scenario of Mexico or Canada aligning with Russia, I doubt very much that the US would like it, but I doubt even more that the US would launch a military invasion in response. The Americans tend to focus more on economic power (or ‘bribery’ if you prefer that term) these days to get their way in the world.
Boru
I completely agree that the war is about geopolitics. And I think the idea of Putin using nukes in Ukraine would be that he would be doing it under the impression that there's a good chance NATO wouldn't respond in kind by nuking Russia. As we saw in Japan, the nukes have the shock factor, but a couple of nukes wasn't necessarily as bad as the carpet bombing of cities just because they were nukes. Do we allow tens of thousands/ hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians or however many it would be die, and give Russia a pass after they've already dropped the nukes on Ukraine, to save the possible millions of lives that would die in a world war or massive nuclear exchange? It's a hard question. My solution.. well, Russia and Ukraine were in peace talks. The US and other countries have stepped in to stifle these talks, and yeah, I don't think that's a good thing. Giving in to Putin on this and making a peace deal doesn't mean he's going to get a big head and try to expand even further into Europe. It sucks that superpowers like Russia get to do bad shit without severe consequences, but sadly that's just the way the world works sometimes. Talk of "we shouldn't let the bully win" is basically just another way of saying "we have the bigger dicks so we should swing them and be the world police because we can", but like Chomsky says, it's a gamble. Is he overstating the risk of nuclear warfare? Probably, but I still don't want to make that gamble nonetheless.
2. There is no peace with Putin nor should Ukraine ever give in to his demands.
3. It only works that way if we do nothing.
4. It has nothing to do with having a bigger dick it has everything to do with not letting Russia swallow up more countries.
Your ignorance and utterly deranged mindset on international affairs is mind-blowing.
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