Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

My own asserted aims to not get sucked into WWIII? Doesn't every rational person on the planet want to avoid a third world war if possible? Isn't that why not one European government, or the American government, is willing to risk a no-fly zone, which is a massively neo-con position? I am not morally responsible for what happens to Ukrainians because Russia is the one killing them, not me. If I say I want to stay out of it, I am not morally responsible for what someone else chooses to do. If I said I supported giving Ukraine billions in weapons, THEN I would be in part responsible for the deaths, because I'm arguing for the artificial prolonging of the war and rising piles of bodies. That's a totally different story.

A no-fly -zone would not lead to WW3 and giving Ukraine weapons to defend itself from invasion isn't what's caused deaths. Putin's moronic invasion is what's caused deaths, And yes saying you want to stay out of it is essentially signing Ukraine's death warrant....

A no-fly zone doesn't have to lead to nuclear war. It could lead to conventional war with Russia, and you don't want that either. The US is obviously way stronger, but still, you could lose a load of troops, and is the West down for that, and if you're whooping that Russian ass in Russia, at some point are they just might say screw it and launch the nukes because The States is whooping their ass so bad. You're not taking any of this into account. Nukes exist and they are never irrelevant. And then you have Russia using chemical weapons on Ukrainians in response to worry about. You have the nuclear power plants, and you probably watched the same Vaush video I watched about how things are very unlikely to go bad with the power plants and some real effort would have to be put into it by the Russias to accomplish some bad shit with those plants, but it is doable, and Europe certainly should not take this as a zero risk thing. Other things to keep in mind are the grain and wheat supply and supply of other things that need to be shipped around the world. Gas prices, etc, etc. You're ignoring all of this it seems.

You say I'm kneeling to Putin. I say you are trying to take over the world and act as god itself, and you don't care what Ukraine wants. They wanted a deal. The West has been talking them out of deals and throwing money at them so they can selfishly use the Ukrainians as cannon fodder. You are perfectly fine with using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, and that flag in your signature is nothing but a virtue signal against Russia. It has nothing to do with caring for Ukrainians or Ukraine. I suspect NATO just wants to weaken Russia like happened to the USSR when they failed against the Mujahideen. History repeats itself.

And to the other guy who was saying I was being inconsistent about caring about lives, no I wasn't. If the peace deal was made like I wanted and Ukraine wanted, the carnage would cease. The West shooting Russian planes out of the sky, that causes the carnage to increase, because WWIII. If Russia attacks a NATO country, that's a whole other issue. Ukraine is not in NATO, so no, they absolutely do not get those same protections. Never. They are in a superpowers sphere of influence, and that's their issue to deal with. I do not want to be god. I do not want to be a liberal version of Adolph Hitler who rules the world and says this is what such and such countries are allowed to do. I am not god. You are not either.