Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

If I say I want to stay out of it, I am not morally responsible for what someone else chooses to do.

If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their freedoms, show us how supporting them is immoral. The Russians will not resort to nukes simply for us supplying Ukraine with weaponry, else they would have done so already. For that reason I find your hand-wringing entirely unconvincing. I also find it interesting how closely it mirrors Kremlin threats that have been shown empty thus far.

I just responded to this in my post to Helios, but yes, Ukraine wanted a peace deal, so less death is better imo. You were responding to me talking about shooting down Russian planes rather than supporting them with weaponry, but in that case, us supporting them with weaponry is causing tens of thousands more deaths and we discouraged Ukraine from making a peace deal when they wanted to, and that's why I consider it to be immoral. It's pretty straight forward, I think.

And you say.. if the Ukrainians.. well, they are not in NATO, and we're not god, so that settles that.

Also, did everyone buy into George W. Bush's you're either with us or you're against us spiel? That's I think over 5 people now that have spat out George W Bush speak to me. In 20 years, are you guys going to be spitting out Trump sayings next, I wonder? I don't like Putin. I love the Great Satan America. I don't love all of its' foreign policy decisions, but I love the spirit of 1776 and I've got a flag in my living room that has half the Canadian flag on it, and half the American flag on the other. I'm fully allied with the great Satan and not Putin, but, I am going to speak out when I don' agree with the great Satan's decisions. And I know it wasn't your insult, but I wish people knew how little it stung to tell a bisexual person like myself that I like to suck pee pees. Just makes me chuckle. I'm afraid that insult only works on the straights.