(September 7, 2022 at 7:59 am)Deesse23 Wrote:(September 7, 2022 at 5:43 am)pocaracas Wrote: Leaves one wondering which spins are true and which ideals are realistic, doesn't it?That's why it said that it do not need a CIA operative, Ukrainian news, or Kremlin propaganda to evaluate the past push to Kiev. It is an established fact, and given the context in which it happened it's pretty safe to say, that not everything happened as planned.
I gave up following the news on this because, on the one hand, the terrain seems to be mostly static; on the other hand, all I get from the media is "the UK says this", "The CIA says that", "according to Ukrainian sources", etc. oh, and "russian state media made this outrageous comment". Who is being truthful here?
IMHO you get into the trap of "there is s lot of disinformation out there. We do not know many things, therefore we do not know anything"
Much like the stereotypical Christian apologetic " science does not know everything, therefore it knows nothing"
No offense, but IMHO you are playing into Putin's cards. He is the one who would like to have everyone confused, because he needs to cover the simple and basic fact that he invaded another nation.
Outside of a few myths made early, like the Ghost of Kyiv, when everybody in Ukraine was scrambling to post a defence, Ukrainian sources have been either accurate or as close to accurate as they could given necessarily incomplete information. Ukraine often restricts information to ensure operations aren't compromised but doesn't deliberately mislead. You can't come close to saying that about Russia.
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