Russia and Ukraine

[Thumpalumpacus]

No, it doesn't. Being smart does not squander credibility. It's the invasion itself that caused the hit to Russia's credibility, not lying about it beforehand.

Nowhere in this sad tale has Putin been "smart". The invasion caused a hit to Russian credibility because it was a big misjudgement, but the fact that they lied about their intentions does indeed impugn their creidibility, your vacuous protestations aside.

 

Like that other poster pointed out, Russia would have at least some incentive to keep to the deal, or else they know the West is just going to go right back to interfering and giving Ukraine billions in weapons to defend themselves.

That's a very optimistic assessment, given Russia's history under Putin of not abiding by its agreements.

We are "aiding" people by using them as cannon fodder to advance our own goals. Like I posted before, if the goal is to weaken Russia at any cost of human life to the Ukrainians, then you can make a solid and logical case for doing that, but I believe that is a neo-con argument. I just disagree with the "at any human cost" part, and I think it's especially easy for us to act like we should be the ones that get the final say in Ukraine making a peace deal, because we're not the ones dying in the war and dealing with this on a daily basis.

Whose post are you replying to? I have never written anything like "at any human cost". You really need to stop mischaracterizing what I'm writing. What we have here in Ukraine is an overlap of interests. You stripping the Ukrainians of their agency is a you problem. They chose to fight it out long before you chose to misinterpret matters.

And as far as the people going on about me being Canadian, there have been several posters who have told me to leave and go post on a Canadian forum, so that's what first made me get Trumpian vibes from some people and the "go back to your country" vibe. I'm aware there aren't many Trump or George Bush Jr fans on here, which is why it just strikes me as odd when people are using their arguments (not directed at you).

Yeah, well that's got nothing to do with me.

I would not frown upon other nations not intervening if Canada was invaded, because messing with the US army is probably not a good idea on their part and I would not recommend it. Helping us with food or medical supplies? Sure. That's awesome.

Way to avoid the point.

I think that pretty much wraps up our interaction on this topic, have a good day.