Russia and Ukraine

[Jehanne]

That was probably a secondary reason, but, I think that the principle reason was land.  Again, if Ukraine (in whole or in part) joins NATO, Putin could simply line the border with thermonuclear weapons and blow them to bits if war ever broke out.

At his point, after pages of arguing about Ukraine joining NATO being the cause of Russia invading Ukraine, i have to assume that you werent arguing in good faith. Im done.

But let this be known: Its not only unreasonable, but unethical to demand others giving up their freedoms for your perceived fears.

Putin does not call me on the phone, and if he did, I would not believe a damn thing that he said. I can only speculate as to his real motives, and it is likely that he has changed his mind over the months. In this thread, nor anywhere else, have I made any claims to being clairvoyant.

I will not fight and die in Ukraine, nor do I want any of my children fighting there, nor do I want United States troops there ether, and, I want the "money pit" to end sooner rather than later.