(September 29, 2022 at 5:27 am)pocaracas Wrote:(September 29, 2022 at 4:27 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Deleted the bits not directed at me.)
Which was a HUGE blunder on the part of the US and others.
But you moved the goalposts. You asked why the US got involved in Ukraine and not other places, not why the US failed in its commitment to Ukraine in 2014.
Boru
Yes, and since you answered mostly satisfactorily for that original question, it was time to move on... to something that didn't make sense embedded in that answer.
Still doesn't make sense, since it seems we both agree that the response "the world" is having in 2022 is the one that should have happened in 2014.
Which raises the question of why did the US/NATO/etc not help Ukraine more in 2014, when the Budapest Memorandum would have applied just as much as it does now?
Or alternatively, if the memorandum didn't really apply much in 2014, then what makes it apply now in 2022?
If the memorandum applies equally on both events but the West only reacted adequately in 2022, then perhaps the memorandum is not the correct answer to the original question.
The memorandum IS part of the answer to your original question. The tepid response to the Crimea invasion was a failure of the US to live up to its agreement.
I strongly suspect (though I cannot prove) that if America and the world had responded to Russia in 2014 the way they responded in 2022, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Boru
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