Quote:Yes, it would be a NATO defeat as it would leave NATO countries more vulnerable to Russian aggression and embolden Russia to continue its belligerent policies in direct contrast to NATO's goals .....Quote:NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday that Russia's victory in the Ukraine war would mean "NATO's defeat."
https://breakingthenews.net/Article/Stol...t/58742493
But Ukraine is not a NATO member and NATO is not officially a party to the war, so why would it be a defeat for NATO?
The people who lied to you about Afghanistan and Iraq are telling you this is not a proxy war. And a surprisingly large number of people believe it.

Talk about a conspiracy-addled reading of that quote and what's actually surprising is you having applied no critical thinking here before posting this rubbish...

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“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM