(October 17, 2022 at 10:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:Not to mention Ukraine can join NATO if it wants to. Russia gets no say in the matter. And the Donbas is part of Ukraine and doesn't get any autonomy no nation would put up with such a loss of autonomy. As I said this ambassador has some loopy ideas and is essentially the modern Chamberlain.(October 17, 2022 at 8:20 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Former US ambassador to the Soviet Union:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/1...a-way-out/
What's clearly not possible is Russia walking away victorious. Even a clear battlefield victory over the Ukrainian Army leaves the Russians involved in a costly and sapping insurgency. It's almost like they've never read about Vietnam or either war in Afghanistan -- one of which saw themselves evicted after eight years of it, and led to the dissolution of the USSR -- a fact which cannot be far from Putin's attention.
As for the Minsk Agreements, they would not have been needed had not the Russians attacked then. You're advocating appeasement, and probably in cause of an agenda.
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843)
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843)
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM