RE: Russia and Ukraine
November 1, 2022 at 2:23 pm
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2022 at 2:25 pm by Leonardo17.)
(October 31, 2022 at 8:00 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(October 31, 2022 at 5:20 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: - Did you verify the thing that you heard or read? Did you check on some multiple / reliable sources? Are you news sources respecting the ethics of journalism? Do they really accomplish the duty of informing the public in return for the monthly pay they are receiving? Are these person journalists or are they the heralds of some person or group that they are serving or that they are afraid of?
If you are not asking these questions now (Mr. Bel.).
I asked you to tell us which news sources you find reliable, and you declined to answer.
Quote:Let’s end this discussion now. And pick up where we left in 3-4 years’ time. That’s my offer to you
Well, let's go back a few years, review what these highly reliable official sources were telling us, and think about what's happened since.
Did you believe it when the New York Times and all the other corporate media outlets told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, was capable of an imminent attack on the US, and had something to do with 9-11? Because that's what they told us. And the journalists who said it was a lie were fired.
And it turned out to be a lie.
- I didn’t refuse. I told you that I usually follow the news on media channels that have a long tradition behind them and tend to appeal to the more educated layers of society by providing a degree of quality in the service they are providing.
I didn’t want to give names. Because some don’t like Al-Jazeera. I like the BBC, you don’t like like CNN but I like it. I like France 24 and my favorite is perhaps the DW because they have a good coverage in many languages. France 2 is not too bad. I also buy “Der Spiegel” when it’s interesting and when I have time to read it. “Le Monde” is a great journal. But it’s export good. I don’t read it. But my friends who are in international relation read it (they read its monthly edition, and it’s highly informative).
But on a daily basis it’s mostly yahoo new I am reading. It will lead you to many different news channels. So I ignore some sources and maintain the one that are similar to those mentioned above. And whenever I am shocked or I have doubts (like when I read something shocking on ukrainska Pravda) I’ll go check the other sources to see if it really happened.
Example: Russian casualities in Ukraine are not 300, or 1000. It’s 80,000 at least.
Proof: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/...916_4.html
- Does this answer your question?
Quote:“Well, let's go back a few years, review what these highly reliable official sources were telling us, and think about what's happened since.
Did you believe it when the New York Times and all the other corporate media outlets told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, was capable of an imminent attack on the US, and had something to do with 9-11? Because that's what they told us. And the journalists who said it was a lie were fired.
And it turned out to be a lie.”
- Yes. That’s what the big man is saying. “You took Iraq by force so I can take Crimea by force”
But I remember that era. I don’t remember any serious news outlet telling us that there were chemical weapons in Iraq. CNN was telling that there “might be” chemical or biological weapons or that Saddam might be on the brink of developing those weapons. Or it was some “experts” who were giving these statements.
And later, shoes were thrown at George W. Bush. There were demonstration held in my country with slogans like “Did you hear? A murderer is coming into town”. And everybody was furious, and many are still furious because of George W. Bushes decision to invade Iraq.
But the media reported most of it. There were many debates with many experts talking. With many theories about the US’s real intentions behind this war. In short it was another disaster for Bush and the U.S.. But I don’t remember the media lying to me about this.
And as a note: The U.S. could have, or could have attempted to create false evidence on this issue (Just like the Wagner mercenaries in Mali who were uncovered by satellite imagery burying two dozen of corpses in the desert with the intention of blaming French soldiers for this event.)