(December 5, 2022 at 11:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote:(December 5, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes.'existence (noun) is a thing' which makes it an 'effect', not a cause. Principle of Causality, cause precedes effect.
The eternal thing is existence. Existence has always existed, it could not have been any other way.
And no, something 'not eternal' did not come out of nothing, it came out of existence.
Still no need for a god.
An effect of what? Something that doesn't exist? If existence is an effect, then what cause preceded existence? Does the notion of something preceding existence even make
sense? I think not.
Simon Moon you have nailed it. The correct answer, when asked where anything came from, is that it came from existence. No one can be tasked with stepping outside of existence to look for causes. A cause presupposes existence.
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