(December 18, 2022 at 10:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 18, 2022 at 7:45 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Well, the West told Ukraine that they weren't allowed to take a peace deal months back. I'm just wondering if the US or NATO is escalating to the point where they're perfectly fine with WW3, or if it's just Zelenskyy who is becoming more of an irrational actor, first by lying to the world and trying to drag them further into the war by accusing Russia of letting their bombs hit Poland, and now going deeper into Russia to attack the nuclear triad. Attacking the nuclear triad raises tensions significantly.
Attacking bases housing airplanes trying to freeze your citizens to death is called "self-defense". I'll wait while you go read up on the idea. There's a lot of literature on it.
(December 18, 2022 at 7:47 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Legitimate or not, it makes nuclear warfare far more likely, so I'd say Zelenskyy better quit it and be a good boy.
First you complain that the US and/or NATO is allegedly calling the shots ... now you're wishing you could be calling the shots. So it seems your problem is not that Ukraine is being treated as a puppet, but that they're not doing as you (and Putin) would wish.
And citizens shooting up cops because cops kill black people is seen by them as self defense too, but with something as powerful as the police or Russia or China, you can't just go up and punch them in the face like that. The world doesn't work that way. I understand that attacking Russian bases can be justified morally, in a vaccuum, if you entirely ignore what this means for the world and how much closer this pushes us toward WWIII. Ukraine is winning on the ground, right? What's the issue then? Why the extraordinary escalation? Zelenskyy is dangerous for the world. Russia and Ukraine are both victims. Ukraine is the victim of Russia, and Russia is the victim of NATO, big time, and you can't escalate much further than NATO attacks on the nuclear triad, which these can be called regardless because the West continues to give them weapons. You can bring up morality and self defense all you want, but nukes and world war don't care about your morality. Go punch a police officer or a politician in the face and tell them that you are morally justified, and see what good that does you.