RE: Russia and Ukraine
December 18, 2022 at 1:31 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2022 at 1:32 pm by Irreligious Atheist.)
(December 18, 2022 at 1:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 18, 2022 at 12:15 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: And citizens shooting up cops because cops kill black people is seen by them as self defense too, but with something as powerful as the police or Russia or China, you can't just go up and punch them in the face like that. The world doesn't work that way. I understand that attacking Russian bases can be justified morally, in a vaccuum, if you entirely ignore what this means for the world and how much closer this pushes us toward WWIII. Ukraine is winning on the ground, right? What's the issue then? Why the extraordinary escalation? Zelenskyy is dangerous for the world. Russia and Ukraine are both victims. Ukraine is the victim of Russia, and Russia is the victim of NATO, big time, and you can't escalate much further than NATO attacks on the nuclear triad, which these can be called regardless because the West continues to give them weapons. You can bring up morality and self defense all you want, but nukes and world war don't care about your morality. Go punch a police officer or a politician in the face and tell them that you are morally justified, and see what good that does you.
Once again, for the hard of reasoning: this is not an escalation. This is self-defense against an illegal invasion. Comparing that to attacking a police officer enforcing the law is inapt. And you are continuing to call this a NATO attack when that is obviously bullshit. What's the point of conversing with you when you are being dishonest like this?
You are arguing that the Ukrainian government should literally allow Russia to freeze Ukrainian civilians to death. That is what you are arguing. You're disgusting.
Something can be both self defense and an escalation, no? Why are you pretending that it's either one or the other? It is a NATO attack because the war is being funded by NATO countries and NATO is supplying weaponry, and NATO countries didn't draw any red lines about cutting off funding if Ukraine attacked Russia's nuclear triad directly. You don't have to converse with me. You can stop if you'd like, and you're going to be whiny. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.