Russia and Ukraine

[Thumpalumpacus]

Something can be both self defense and an escalation, no?

In that case, why aren't you crying about Russia escalating the situation by using these bombers? I mean, that wasn't even self-defense.

Why are you pretending that it's either one or the other?

Because if it is an escalation, and it isn't because these planes weren't armed with nukes, then it's one Russia brought upon itself by choosing to attack civilians. But you don't seem to mind that.

It is a NATO attack because the war is being funded by NATO countries and NATO is supplying weaponry, and NATO countries didn't draw any red lines about cutting off funding if Ukraine attacked Russia's nuclear triad directly.

By that logic, the German attack on France was a Czech invasion, because the Germans also used Czech tanks.

You don't have to converse with me. You can stop if you'd like, and you're going to be whiny. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What heat? Your points are so vapid that the kitchen is frosty. What I don't like doing is wasting my time on idiots. Show me you're not an idiot, and you'll perhaps earn credence. Show me you're not simply happy aping Putin & Medvedev's talking points and hoping no one will notice.

So far it's a big swing-and-a-miss. Convince me that discussing this with you is not a waste of time.