Russia and Ukraine

[Leonardo17]

There actually was a referendum on whether or not people, by region, wanted to go with russia or ukraine.  Even in areas with a heavy concentration of russian speakers, the vote went to staying in ukraine.  This is why russia invaded, because even with all of it's fuckery, it could not do by political engineering what it has since failed to do by force as well.  If they were to do the referendum again, it would likely skew even more heavily pro ukraine..because, IDK if you knew this or not..but... the russian occupation forces haven't exactly treated the areas under their control with respect.  They've been particularly and especially rough with the separatists they managed to cobble together as a front for their invasion..ongoing since 2014.  Sure, russia claims it did just that, and wouldn't you know it, 98% of the people in Kherson, for example..they claimed..were totally in the tank for russia.  They certainly seemed upset after russia pulled out, huh - but I guess you'll have to decide whether you believe russian propaganda or your own lying fucking eyes on that one...eh?  

Putin says it's a land grab.  That seems pretty clear.  Ukranians aren't waking up in the morning thinking "how can we pursue american interests today?".  They're expelling the forces of a foreign nation that invaded their home and seeks to erase the country, it's culture, and it's people from the map.  Here again, putin has been crystal clear.  The rest of that shit about zelensky and nazis is just too fucking stupid at this point to respond to, if it was ever anything but exactly that stupid to begin with, and you should be ashamed for repeating it.  Find some other focus for whatever anti-american masturbation you feel positively compelled to engage in.  It shouldn't be hard, what with great satan and all.  It's certainly true that the us isn't friendly towards russian interests, but, ofc, there is no war in russia.  There is a war in ukraine.

+ There is like nothing in the area they are occupying. It’s only a matter of propaganda value if you ask me.